Low carbing and too much weight loss

MrsK

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Hi, I was diagnosed with type 2 late last year, I was a healthy 35 yr old female of normal weight and healthy lifestyle so a bit of a shock.
Was originally put on metformin 500mg to 1000mg a day but this did not agree with me at all so the doc agreed to let me try diet control. I have been following the the low carb advise on here, eating lots of varied meals but limiting carbs. However after 2 months all this has achieved is that I feel awful and after my last dietician. Appointment I am now medically underweight! There has been little change to my bs, still around 8 to 9 after meals and I have background retinopathy so paranoid about that getting worse.
Has anyone else experienced this? Anyone else found low carb not good? I am now desperate to gain weight and feel like me again. This is seriously getting me down now. I have an appointment with a diabetic consultant this week and am terrified they will make me go on insulin.....I do not want that at all!
Thanks for listening :)
 

donnellysdogs

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Undestand your fear of hoing on to insulin...

Trying to 'bump' this up so someone can advise pre your consultant.

The only thing that I can say (type 1 and on insulin) is that you must get enough calories when you low carb... If you dont want to lose weight. Many people use liw carb diet if they want to lise some lb's... As well al liwering bg's. Its the calorie intake that it seems that you must check that you are getting each day.

Hopefully someone else with some more info will be aling soon to help.
 

Vern

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Hi there! I am a type 2 and can advise on this issue as I routinely LowCarb at under 40gr a day. At your BG readings of 9 there is absolutely no need to go the Insulin route yet. I too lost a huge amount of weight as I was not portioning my proteins and fat correctly. The recommended Diabetic Diet advises you to do 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. If you are not in the high Cholestrol range then I find that shopping these ratios is the best way to go! My BG is now steady, normally always under 7 and Hba1c is at 6%. Try adding to your regular meals a Protein Shake? Alternatively up your Olive Oil and Fatty Fish intake. This is a great way of bringing fasting and post Prandial levels down. Fat keeps you full for longer and keeps any carbs you ate in a slow digestion mode. This could help in keeping your weight up. Great bonus is that it's really good for healthy hair, skin and nails. Please do not get despondent? Hopefully Daisy will pop in and give you the tools that I feel you need. Sid Bonkers has some great recipes for you to try. I am taking no drugs at all, only Cinnamon Extract which I find to be really beneficial in keeping BG stable. Good luck! We are all here for you.


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daisy1

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Hi MrsK and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information which Vern mentioned which we give to new members. I hope you will find it useful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

carty

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Hi mrs k
I am a skinny type2 and know how hard it is to gain or maintain weight ..Try eating more often I try to have a snack between meals of nuts ,avocado,cheese .eat full fat everything ,put a knob of butter on veg ,dress salads with olive oil.and ask your GP or dietician if you can have a product called Calogen it is virtually liquid fats and tastes pretty awful but I gained 1k on it and my cholesterol didnt rise so worth a try
CAROL
 

Daibell

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Hi. At only 35 and normal weight I would question your diagnosis. It is possible you are a Late onset Type 1 (LADA)? If so this would explain why the diet isn't working and that you are losing weight. I would be asking the doc for a c-peptide and GAD test. The former indicates your insulin level and the latter checks for the most common pancreatic antibody. Although much older I fitted a similar pattern and my pancreas was just not delivering the insulin I needed. I had difficulty stopping my weight going down and BS going up. I finally had a c-peptide test done privately and it confirmed I had very low insulin production but my GAD was negative. I have recently started insulin and it has made a great difference. I am on once-a-day at bedtime and although my BS rises towards the end of the day if has made a big difference. I may be adding extra injections during the day shortly. Insulin is not the problem it used to be. I have a very thin 4mm needle and it's painless. Yes, it has it's nuisance value but I can finally eat more which is a benefit! So, don't be too negative about insulin if you need it. Your consultant may put you onto Gliclazide and/or Sitagliptin which could help if, and only if, your pancreas still has enough islet cells left for these drugs to have an effect.
 

elaine77

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I'm with Daibell, I would ask for your diagnosis to be checked, they got it wrong with me at first too.... Welcome! :)


Diagnosed with GD in 2010, Completely disappeared postpartum. Re-diagnosed December 2012 with type 1.5 diabetes, age 26, BMI 23 currently controlled by only Metformin, 500mg twice a day.
 

MrsK

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Thank you for your replies and advice.
I am waiting on blood results to confirm which type of diabetes I have, my consultant was a little worried about my weight loss and wants to make sure I am type 2. Hopefully that will make things a little clearer. My cholesterol levels are fairly low so I will try increasing my fats a little more.
Finding this so hard at the mo, all the foods I love are full of carbs!
 

smidge

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Hi MrsK!

I'm with daibell and Elaine - you look a prime candidate for a Type 2 misdiagnosis to me. Exactly the same happened to me and I lost so much weight but couldn't keep my BG down no matter what - basically my body was starving because I was producing insufficient insulin to get any nourishment from the food. I turned out to be LADA and went onto insulin - it was the best thing I've ever done as I started feeling better immediately. I have put back on the weight I lost so I am now a healthy 7 stone 3 (had dropped to below 6.5 stone) and my HbA1c is constantly at around 5.9. Let's see what your results say, but if it is LADA push to go onto insulin immediately - it's inevitable eventually with LADA so the sooner the better in my opinion.

I have continued with the low-carbing, though as it helps to keep my BG stable, insulin doses low and weight under control.

Take care

Smidge