Lychees - preventing gluconeogenesis?

sally and james

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Did anyone read this article on BBC News, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-38831240 ?
To summarise, it seems that apparently healthy, but underfed, children in a lychee growing area of India are having seizures and loosing consciousness, frequently resulting in death. This has been put down to over indulgence in lychees on an empty stomach, by no less a journal than The Lancet. It seems that a toxin in lychees, hypoglycin, prevents the body from manufacturing glucose.

Several thoughts came into my mind: If you are on insulin, don't snack on lychees! But also the thought that the odd lychee at bedtime could reduce dawn phenomena.
I haven't read through the Lancet article (it's linked in the BBC piece), but wonder if anyone has tested this fruit or ever come across warnings about it.
Your thoughts ......

Sally
 

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I read the original BBC article and then did a bit of surfing but couldn't find much, or anything about serious clinical trials relating to the fruit and diabetes.
Lychees are fairly high carb - 14.3/100g for a peeled one with 58 Cals and 0.9g protein.
 

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Did anyone read this article on BBC News, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-38831240 ?
To summarise, it seems that apparently healthy, but underfed, children in a lychee growing area of India are having seizures and loosing consciousness, frequently resulting in death. This has been put down to over indulgence in lychees on an empty stomach, by no less a journal than The Lancet. It seems that a toxin in lychees, hypoglycin, prevents the body from manufacturing glucose.

Several thoughts came into my mind: If you are on insulin, don't snack on lychees! But also the thought that the odd lychee at bedtime could reduce dawn phenomena.
I haven't read through the Lancet article (it's linked in the BBC piece), but wonder if anyone has tested this fruit or ever come across warnings about it.
Your thoughts ......

Sally

could maybe be a fine fruit to try to see what happens... just not if one is already very low in blood glucose... but maybe a rather expencive diabetes treatment right now.... I ate a lot new years eve...Lidl sometimes have them not too expencive

but could also be a kind of toxin that Blocks the liver especially in the unriped fruits of lychee
 

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News me as well, but i'm wondering if there could be a possibility of producing some blood glucose lowering drug we diabetics could take? I mean surely they could look at this and produce something less harmful than some of the stuff we are prescribed to help reduce BG? Nice thoughts of being able to eat Pizza again and Pasta :)
 

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News me as well, but i'm wondering if there could be a possibility of producing some blood glucose lowering drug we diabetics could take? I mean surely they could look at this and produce something less harmful than some of the stuff we are prescribed to help reduce BG? Nice thoughts of being able to eat Pizza again and Pasta :)

metformin is not that toxic and do also seem to lower some kinds of cancer ...

some plants contains themselves actually sometimes toxines , like brazil-nuts when eten in larger amounts, I love brazil-nuts my self and eat them almost daily, but due to some fungi living in symbiosis with the nut where it is grown there is a big chance of getting too high number of toxins from this fungis remains ... it is almost the same for peanuts...
natural doesn´t allways mean non-toxic
 

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I read the original BBC article and then did a bit of surfing but couldn't find much, or anything about serious clinical trials relating to the fruit and diabetes.
Lychees are fairly high carb - 14.3/100g for a peeled one with 58 Cals and 0.9g protein.

maybe the effect was from the unriped fruits
 

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http://www.chamberlins.com/ns/Displ...BE4CFD914079104818C49B&DocID=bottomline-lyche

Lychee (Litchi chinensis) is an evergreen tree native to the lowlands of southern China and is now grown in many tropical regions of the world.
Lychee has been used medicinally and as a food. Lychee leaves have been used to make vegetable dye. The lychee tree bears a sweet, red fruit that is highly regarded for its purported astringent, pain-relieving, stomach tonic, and fortifying properties. Tea made from the outer layer of the fruit is said to cure skin rashes. Extracts of the roots, bark, and flowers are traditionally used to cure sore throats.
There is a lack of scientific evidence supporting the use of lychee to treat any medical condition in humans.

Allergies

Avoid with known allergy or hypersensitivity to Litchi chinensis, its constituents, or members of the Sapindaceae family.
Cross-reactivity with birch pollen, Compositae pollen, sunflower seed, mugwort, and latex may be observed.
Swelling of the lips or tongue, swelling under the skin, itching, hives, shortness of breath, restlessness, flush, inspiratory stridor (harsh sound made when breathing in), anaphylaxis, and bronchospasm have been reported.
Side Effects and Warnings
Lychee is likely safe when consumed by nonallergic persons in amounts normally found in food.
Allergic reaction to lychee is rare. However, lychee may cause swelling of the lips or tongue, swelling under the skin, itching, hives, shortness of breath, restlessness, flush, inspiratory stridor (harsh sound made when breathing in), anaphylaxis, or bronchospasm in allergic individuals.
Lychee may lower blood sugar levels. Caution is advised in patients with diabetes or hypoglycemia and in those taking drugs, herbs, or supplements that affect blood sugar. Blood glucose levels may need to be monitored by a qualified healthcare professional, including a pharmacist. Medication adjustments may be necessary.
Lychee may increase the risk of bleeding. Caution is advised in patients with bleeding disorders or those taking drugs, herbs, or supplements that may increase the risk of bleeding. Dosing adjustments may be necessary.
Use cautiously in patients taking cholesterol- or lipid-lowering agents, as lychee seed water extract significantly decreased the levels of total cholesterol and triglycerides and increased the content of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol.
Avoid consuming in amounts greater than those normally found in food in pregnant and breastfeeding women, due to insufficient scientific evidence.
Avoid with known allergy or hypersensitivity to Litchi chinensis, any of its constituents, or members of the Sapindaceae family.
Pregnancy and Breastfeeding
Avoid in pregnant and breastfeeding women in amounts greater than those normally found in food, due to insufficient scientific evidence.
Interactions with Drugs
Lychee may lower blood sugar levels. Caution is advised when using medications that may also lower blood sugar. Patients taking insulin or drugs for diabetes by mouth should be monitored closely by a qualified healthcare professional, including a pharmacist. Medication adjustments may be necessary. Lychee may increase the risk of bleeding when taken with drugs that increase the risk of bleeding. Some examples include aspirin, anticoagulants (blood thinners) such as warfarin (Coumadin®) or heparin, antiplatelet drugs such as clopidogrel (Plavix®), and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen (Motrin®, Advil®) or naproxen (Naprosyn®, Aleve®).
Lychee may also interact with anticancer agents, anti-inflammatory agents, antivirals, cardiovascular agents, cholesterol- or lipid-lowering agents, immune modulating agents, or pain relievers.
Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements

Lychee may lower blood sugar levels. Caution is advised when using herbs or supplements that may also lower blood sugar. Blood glucose levels may require monitoring, and doses may need adjustment.
Lychee may increase the risk of bleeding when taken with herbs and supplements that are believed to increase the risk of bleeding. Multiple cases of bleeding have been reported with the use of Ginkgo biloba, and fewer cases with garlic and saw palmetto. Numerous other agents may theoretically increase the risk of bleeding, although this has not been proven in most cases.
Lychee may also interact with anticancer agents, anti-inflammatory agents, antioxidants, antivirals, cardiovascular herbs and supplements, cholesterol- or lipid-lowering agents, immune modulating herbs and supplements, or pain relievers.
 
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There used to be an Asian grocer on the corner of our road and I used to buy tinned lychees there several times a week - I washed off the syrup and put them in water for a while before eating them - but I do wonder at the carb count - I have always had 10 percent net carbs as a cut off point.
 
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http://www.chineseherbshealing.com/lychee-nut/

Modern pharmacological actions of lychee nuts
1. The α-methylene cyclopropylglycine contained has hypoglycemic effect when injected to mice;
2. Its water extract or alcohol extract and lychee seed oil can regulate lipids and resist oxidation. Hence, it can reduce serum total cholesterol (TC) and triglycerides (TC);
3. It can resist ALX-induced free radical damage and enhance the activity of antioxidant enzyme SOD;
4. It antagonizes the mutagenic effects of salmonella typhimurium;
5. Its water extract has inhibition on hepatitis B virus surface antigen.
 
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As I said in the other thread on this forum here.

There's a big Lychee plantation out on Moore Park Beach road, we always get some of those when they are in season.

Plenty of fruit and veggies are grown along that road and area when they rest the sugar cane blocks. The lychees are now a permanent fixture, just like the macadamia plantations are.