Mastering Diabetes by Cyrus Khambatta and Robby Barbaro

[Jaylee]

Is IR such a big issue in type 1 (I know it’s possible) that sensitivity needs restoring? It certainly is in type 2, so much as to say a huge part of the entire condition.

Is there any supporting evidence of your theory it’s IR improving and does this match their theory?

Hi there. From what I know it tends to be problems with exogenous absorption from overused injection sites.
The choice & rotation of sites help too.
Of course timing of dosage to alow the insulin working profile to compliment the carbs consumed is key too.

 

[Alexandra100]

Like I alluded to in another reply, there are many reasons you won't see many people succeeding on a high-carb diet...on this forum. But I can assure you, they exist

Please can you give a quote or link to their results?

 

[Deleted member 532959]

In fact, many phytochemicals are poisonous to humans since they are the plants defence systems.

"Poisonous" and "Toxic" are very inflammatory (pun-intended) words. But the dose makes the poison. A glass of water is refreshing and healthy. But 6 litres, consumed within an hour will kill us. Also, the idea that what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, is not just a platitude. Within the context of our biology, it's the very things that challenge our systems that, via hormesis, make us stronger and better able to survive. This is why certain amounts of hermetic stress, be it through cold exposure, fasting, dealing with germs and bacteria - even the process of destroying muscle tissue, in order to build newer and stronger tissue - All of this, if we can overcome the discomfort, will shore the body's systems against bigger toxic attacks.

Specific to the idea of plant-toxins on a plant-based diet, I know I'm not the only one who initially experienced discomfort, bloating and gas when hugely increasing my intake of the lovely lectins found in beans, legumes etc. But, again, I'm not the only one for whom perseverance has given me the power to eat bowls upon bowls of the stuff, with zero negative effects. My body prevailed, and I feel many time healthier for it.

By the way, the Low Carb Diet was introduced into medical practice in 1862, and has been in use as a treatment since. How many generations do you need? When was the vegan diet recognised? Nov 1944 I believe.

And were we playing dietary top-trumps, you'd have me on 'Date of introduction into medical practice'. But I'm really only interested in real-world results and getting to the truth. That's why I'm quite capable of seeing the benefits of a low-carb diet (one that even includes animal products), despite the fact that plant-based and vegan dogma would have me believe otherwise.

Further to that, perhaps you could scroll up a few posts to see that I'm very much distancing my discourse from veganism.

How many generations do you need?

Perhaps you are confusing what i mean by multiple generations. In the context of my earlier response, I'm making the point that just because we have evolutionary systems designed to keep us going without carbs, doesn't mean that any health benefits will be passed on to the children or grandchildren.

 

[Deleted member 532959]

Please can you give a quote or link to their results?

Here's a good primer for the idea of lower-fat, high-carb diets in the treatment of metabolic dysfunction (apparently, part 2 is close to ready to drop):

https://deniseminger.com/2015/10/06...-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/

And here is a list of success stories, covering both T1 and T2D diabetes, using two very similar programs. i have since found out that there are many others (unfortunately behind a pay-wall, who are finding success but aren't willing to be so very public about it):

(See attached Document)

 

[Deleted member 532959]

P.S @Oldvatr There's a great George Carlin routine on the idea of the benefits of germs and the concept of what does us a little harm can also do us a lot of good. However, for obvious reasons I cannot post it here. Pretty easy to find on Youtube, I believer (or at least it used to be). Well worth a watch

 

[Deleted member 532959]

Thank you. Now I have something to work with if in the future I decide to try high carb low fat again.

I would caution against jumping into anything; certainly not on the grounds of a little tidbit of info like that. I'd advise a bit more planning and research (Not saying you wouldn't, anyway), but it also would involve a certain amount of leaps-of-faith. But, your welcome

 

[zand]

I would caution against jumping into anything; certainly not on the grounds of a little tidbit of info like that. I'd advise a bit more planning and research (Not saying you wouldn't, anyway), but it also would involve a certain amount of leaps-of-faith. But, your welcome

It won't be for a while, but I am interested in improving my IR. I do love veggies and am not over keen on meat, so it would be useful to have an alternative when I get fed up with what I am doing. For the moment though I will remain LCHF

 

[lucylocket61]

It won't be for a while, but I am interested in improving my IR. I do love veggies and am not over keen on meat, so it would be useful to have an alternative when I get fed up with what I am doing. For the moment though I will remain LCHF

I eat very little meat. It's not compulsory : )))

 

[Jaylee]

Here's a good primer for the idea of lower-fat, high-carb diets in the treatment of metabolic dysfunction (apparently, part 2 is close to ready to drop):

https://deniseminger.com/2015/10/06...-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/

And here is a list of success stories, covering both T1 and T2D diabetes, using two very similar programs. i have since found out that there are many others (unfortunately behind a pay-wall, who are finding success but aren't willing to be so very public about it):

(See attached Document)

Hi,

Been looking at the T1 stuff linked in the attached PDF in your post.
They all appear to be testimonials affiliated with the Mastering diabetes course?

Do you have anything a little more "independent,?" Please..

 

[bulkbiker]

There are many people who are shining examples of how a high-carb, low-fat diet can effectively be used to control or beat diabetes.

Are there?.. not in the Barnard trial there weren't..

 

[NicoleC1971]

Here's a good primer for the idea of lower-fat, high-carb diets in the treatment of metabolic dysfunction (apparently, part 2 is close to ready to drop):

https://deniseminger.com/2015/10/06...-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/

And here is a list of success stories, covering both T1 and T2D diabetes, using two very similar programs. i have since found out that there are many others (unfortunately behind a pay-wall, who are finding success but aren't willing to be so very public about it):

(See attached Document)

I love your moniker btw!

I also like Denise Minger especially her book Death by Food Pyramid. She is a former vegetarian and doesn't eat much meat now but seems to have been careful to remain a little contrarian which I like!
I feel as if our understanding is evolving and what we are really talking about is real food (be it plants or plants and animals or just animals) versus highly processed food (that made in a factory and denuded of fibre with added seed oils/sugar etc.).
Or as Rob Lustig puts it Feed your gut and protect your liver.. His book Metabolical is great too.
I think Paleo has a great back story but we know that many of our ancestors ate varying amounts of carbohydrates though none eschewed ALL animal products. None ate ultra processed food (food you can't re create in a restaurant kitchen being the best definition of this that I've heard).
The choice should be individual based on how well your body is suited to and tolerant of lectins/night shades and able to absorb the necessary vitamins. You can eat a high volume of food and will need to because it isn't energy dense but we're not talking about supermarket bread and pasta/rice.
For me I have not ethical desire to avoid decent meat and as I age I want a good variety of proteins too and seem to be weight stable on low carb.
Finally we are talking about diabetics here and older people in the main which makes me feel that for practical purposes a low carb diet works well though I can see how a low fat, high fibre diet could do so too. As for type 1 the Cyrus story involves a diagnosis of type 1 whose honeymoon period is extended by keeping big muscles and eating very high fibre foods. I am ware he eats fruits too.
If I got my body fat down to his athletic levels (for a female that's 20% or so) I am sure my insulin needs would go right down but I'd still need some!

 

[JohnEGreen]

Well here's one story I will leave it to you to judge it success or not.

My High-Carb, Low-Fat Experiment with Type 1 Diabetes By Ginger Vieira

https://diabetesstrong.com/my-high-carb-low-fat-experiment-with-type-1-diabetes/

Edit
Bye the way this is the story of a person who actually followed the Cyrus Khambatta diet. or tried to.

 

[Tannith]

Like I alluded to in another reply, there are many reasons you won't see many people succeeding on a high-carb diet...on this forum. But I can assure you, they exist

Like me for example. My main carbs yesterday (oats, pasta, fruit alone amounted to 62% of my calories as carbs. And that's without counting the carbs in the beans, lentils and veggies (and even a few in the meat probably) in the pasta sauce. Or those in the extra bits like milk, seeds, bran etc. About 220 plus g carbs. This is similar to most days. I do not seek to eat high carb, just to maintain my weight loss, which I use to control my T2.
FBG was 5.0

 

[lucylocket61]

Like me for example. My main carbs yesterday (oats, pasta, fruit alone amounted to 62% of my calories as carbs. And that's without counting the carbs in the beans, lentils and veggies (and even a few in the meat probably) in the pasta sauce. Or those in the extra bits like milk, seeds, bran etc. About 220 plus g carbs. This is similar to most days. I do not seek to eat high carb, just to maintain my weight loss, which I use to control my T2.
FBG was 5.0

Yes, and you have never been actually diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, or shown us any information about Hba1c levels and results tested by your GP to indicate type 2 diabetes the entire time you have been posting in here.

You have been told repeatedly that your FB is normal. If someone is not a type 2 diabetic, they will not react to carbs the way to a type 2 diabetic does, so comparing their results from eating carbs to those of a type 2 diabetic is irrelevant.

 

[HSSS]

Hi there. From what I know it tends to be problems with exogenous absorption from overused injection sites.
The choice & rotation of sites help too.
Of course timing of dosage to alow the insulin working profile to compliment the carbs consumed is key too.

Thanks. I read the comment as suggesting systemic insulin resistance was the problem being solved in @Beating-My-Betes opinion rather than localised injection issues. Always interesting to learn how “the other other half” cope though

 

[HSSS]

Perhaps read my post again. i didn't say that low-carb was flawed. I pointed to the dogma surrounding/supporting it to be flawed



I think it's increasingly important that people learn to detach the results of a program from the problematic explanations used to support/instruct the diet(s) I indicated that as a plural, as it applies just as much to the plant-based side of the equation.

Ok, how is the dogma flawed if the theory and evidence are sound?

I’m confused by your statement results of the program v the explanations. So do you mean results matter but reasons why don’t? Surely to make a result repeatable and useful in a wider community you need to understand the reasoning, or else who will you know to apply it to and how and what limitations etc etc.

 

[JohnEGreen]

Ok, how is the dogma flawed if the theory and evidence are sound?

I’m confused by your statement results of the program v the explanations. So do you mean results matter but reasons why don’t? Surely to make a result repeatable and useful in a wider community you need to understand the reasoning, or else who will you know to apply it to and how and what limitations etc etc.

Thats the scientific way it needs to be repeatable and predictive.

 

[Oldvatr]

This may be of interest to T1D members interested in T1D IR
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7700208/

 

[HSSS]

Thats the scientific way it needs to be repeatable and predictive.

I’m confused by your comment directed at me. I realise it’s scientific and needs to be repeatable etc. That’s why I was asking the question i was - in response to a comment that appeared to suggest it didn’t matter.

 

[Tannith]

One dya I might be motivated enough to give you a glimpse of why that might be

Please do so sooner rather than later. I'd love to know whether your explanation coincides with mine!