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Bluetit1802 said:
Portion control is what is needed - fat is the nutrient that satiates us best. I'm rarely hungry.

Use Google. There are plenty of articles about whether meat is healthy.
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What does portion control mean?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17824197

This study establishes that fat is less satiating than carbs with protein most of all.

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ghost_whistler said:
Moderate protein, acording to Dr Phinney, can be anything from 1-2g protein/kg LBM.

My question pertains to whether meat eating is healthy. Fats are discussed, but what about meat?
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Moderate does not imply dominant though does it?

Whether you believe eating meat is healthy or not is AFAIK entirely a matter of personal opinion, and mine is that since I also understand that LCHF is also supposed to be a varied healthy diet, I'll accordingly eat my meat in moderation together with other protein, but the amount of meat that anyone chooses to eat (or not) is entirely up to them.

Robbity
 
I eat very little meat. Some fish, eggs, cheese, but not much of them either. I eat lots of salad and green veg to fill up, with some wholemeal bread or potatoes because i can have a bit and it not affect my sugar levels.

I dont really understand your attitude, to be honest @ghost_whistler . You seem to be asking the same questions or variations on those questions, thread after thread, and then insult those trying to help you. Suggesting you use google is not an insult. We are not substitutes for the in depth reports and article available on there. You need to do your own research to find out what works for you as an individual.

Have you raised the issue of your insatiable appetite with your doctor yet? It seems to be your main problem which is affecting your food choices.
 
ghost_whistler said:
How does this address whether eating meat is healthy?
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You didnt ask whether eating meat is healthy.
You asked whether eating meat as a dominant part of the diet is healthy.

My response explained that a well formulated lchf does not have to have meat as a dominant ingredient, and that, for me, such excessive amounts of meat are not successful for me. The implication (which i will now spell out) is that, for me, large amounts of protein are not healthy.
 
So at 600 g of protein, even eating at the high end of the recommended amount you spoke of, does that fit into the 2 g LEAN body mass or are you still over eating based on that formula.

Please understand protein needs almost as much insulin as carbs so eating that much protein you probably have high circulating insulin. This in turn causes hunger.

I do not believe eating high protein or predominantly high protein is healthy in any way shape or form. Therefor myndiet isn't high protein. Doesn't sound like anyone else's is either. But we all make our own decisions. High protein makes me hungry but again, that's me.
 
I have biased towards fish. I look out for the deals Morrisons do for example 2 Seabass for £5.00. This may seem expensive but I feel I am investing in family health. Mackerel is relatively cheap, and sardines even cheaper.

I mainly have nuts, vegetables, berries and yogurt, outside of what my wife cooks. I do now have to have more red meat due to being a point below on Haemoglobin (but I will also eat more spinach). The problem with LCHF is that it fills you so much it is hard to get through lots of food - a nice problem to have.
 
ghost_whistler said:
Unfortunately seafood of any quality is significantly dearer than meat.

I take an omega 3supplement.

But do we have any idea how much meat is a problem? I must be eating about 200g per meal (600g a day). A lot more than before, largely in place of bread/wheat
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Tinned fish isn't expensive - as I believe we've discussed before.

To answer your question, I wouldn't eat that much meat for two reasons - I dont believe that quantity is necessary and, also, I couldn't afford it.
 
ghost_whistler said:
Seems that meat is a dominant component of a LCHF diet. Not exclusively, there are some vegeterians i gather.
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Where did that idea come from? LCHF is a low carb, moderate protein, and high(er) fat diet.

So - definitely not in my diet it isn't - and definitely doesn't have to be either! I get my protein from a variety sources as well as meat: fish, poultry, dairy, eggs, nuts & seeds... My main energy source comes from fats instead of carbs now and these are a balancing act - i.e. less carbs, more fat - on either side of a stable protein pivot, and I eat about the same amount of protein as I did pre-LCHF.

But for some people, e.g. @NoCrbs4Me, it can be a personal choice to eat mainly meat and fat on a very low almost no carb diet.

Robbity
 
Brunneria said:
You didnt ask whether eating meat is healthy.
You asked whether eating meat as a dominant part of the diet is healthy.

My response explained that a well formulated lchf does not have to have meat as a dominant ingredient, and that, for me, such excessive amounts of meat are not successful for me. The implication (which i will now spell out) is that, for me, large amounts of protein are not healthy.
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My question was whether meat is healthy.

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Robbity said:
Where did that idea come from? LCHF is a low carb, moderate protein, and high(er) fat diet.

So - definitely not in my diet it isn't - and definitely doesn't have to be either! I get my protein from a variety sources as well as meat: fish, poultry, dairy, eggs, nuts & seeds... My main energy source comes from fats instead of carbs now and these are a balancing act - i.e. less carbs, more fat - on either side of a stable protein pivot, and I eat about the same amount of protein as I did pre-LCHF.

But for some people, e.g. @NoCrbs4Me, it can be a personal choice to eat mainly meat and fat on a very low almost no carb diet.

Robbity
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You haven't defined what constitutes moderate so, even considering that this is off topic, to make the comment is ultimately going to take us nowhere as we have no idea what is an appropriate amount of protein.
 
azure said:
Tinned fish isn't expensive - as I believe we've discussed before.

To answer your question, I wouldn't eat that much meat for two reasons - I dont believe that quantity is necessary and, also, I couldn't afford it.
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Whether or not we've discussed it before is irrelevant because this discussion isn't about the cost of tinned fish.
 
ghost_whistler said:
My question is, do we know that eating a high/higher amount of meat is healthy?
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Meat has always been a regular on our plates ever since it came off ration.

As I worked in the meat industry for a long time I have always have had a good supply of meat to enjoy. We still eat a fair amount with veggies and it's never done us any harm.

Most of the "meat is bad for you ****" comes from wacko's like PETA and other politically correct idiots. :meh:
 
Kristin251 said:
So at 600 g of protein, even eating at the high end of the recommended amount you spoke of, does that fit into the 2 g LEAN body mass or are you still over eating based on that formula.

Please understand protein needs almost as much insulin as carbs so eating that much protein you probably have high circulating insulin. This in turn causes hunger.

I do not believe eating high protein or predominantly high protein is healthy in any way shape or form. Therefor myndiet isn't high protein. Doesn't sound like anyone else's is either. But we all make our own decisions. High protein makes me hungry but again, that's me.
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To be clear that weight of meat will encompass fat as well.

I manage about 100g a day.

I would be interested in what evidence there is regarding how much insulin is produced and how much of an effect it has since protein is essential. Do we know that x protein is ok, but X+Y isn't? That's the problem with the protein discussion: there's really only guesswork. Some people contend that protein spiking insulin is ultimately significant. We are meant to have insulin, that's how it works. So at what point is it a problem?

But again, the reference to 'high protein'. How much is high? Nobody knows.
 
ghost_whistler said:
And I welcome a pertinent answer.
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You have had 3 pertinent answers from me, and many others from other people.

The problem is not that you aren't getting good, sensible answers from people who are willing to devote their time and effort to pass on their personal experiences and opinions.

The problem is that you only seem to want specific answers and reject anything else. That isnt how forums work.
 
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