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Media Outburst

Individuals will hear the message that they 'want' to hear. That is abundantly clear from the responses on this forum.
Some listen to what is said, understand the message and recognise the need to take action as a nation. Others don't listen take things personally and look for excuses outside of the 'bleeding obvious'. That way lies diversion from the main issue and opens the door to quackery - oh, did I see a duck on here?
 
Stuffedolive, some of us have the knowledge and intelligence to understand that the cause needs to be fixed as well as the effect.

I would rather not pass on the same problems to subsequent generations.

Think about it, then perhaps you'll reply in more considered manner.
 
So what we're saying is that the study was essentially correct. The MAJORITY ( not all ! ) of those with diabetes are overweight. Also, as a nation, we are more sedentary than we were years ago.
I fail to see how we can argue against this. As I've mentioned on my previous posts, there will always be exceptions.
What we are unhappy about though is that the term "porkers" was used ?
Is this sort of correct ?


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Clearly some people on this Forum are interested in taking personal action to improve their condition, just look at the topic on reversing or curing T2 diabetes

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However, even on that positive thread there were posters attempting to divert the discussion away from personal action to blaming instead some other factor in our industrial food chain (which I am not defending, but I do personally avoid as much as possible). Those same posters are on this thread denying the main reason why the majority of T2 diabetics are as they are. They flood the forums with pseudo science to confuse those who need to listen to the main message and thus make it more difficult for them to take the hard road to managing their own bodies. Your message is not helping, you are doing a disservice to the majority of diabetics
 
I don't think anyone disputes the fact that diet and lifestyle CAN play a part in someone developing diabetes. Speaking as someone who heard the interview while in the car and hasn't read a transcript, my main objection was to the speakers attitude.
If people are to understand and prevent diabetes in the future, we need open and honest discussion. ALL the information needs to be out there. Not just a few inflammatory, sensational high lights delivered in the way this was. This interview has made me, personally, decide to hide my condition, when I could be educating the people around me. I now feel ashamed to be such a "burden" and I feel that I should be eating nothing at all and not leave the house until I'm a size 0.


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hornplayer said:
I don't think anyone disputes the fact that diet and lifestyle CAN play a part in someone developing diabetes. Speaking as someone who heard the interview while in the car and hasn't read a transcript, my main objection was to the speakers attitude.
If people are to understand and prevent diabetes in the future, we need open and honest discussion. ALL the information needs to be out there. Not just a few inflammatory, sensational high lights delivered in the way this was. This interview has made me, personally, decide to hide my condition, when I could be educating the people around me. I now feel ashamed to be such a "burden" and I feel that I should be eating nothing at all and not leave the house until I'm a size 0
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Hornplayer, I'm glad you're listening to the message and working to that size 0. Because for most of us that is exactly the best course of action to managing our condition. More people need to hear that and act on it.
 
Size 0 is a skeleton with skin. If that is what I need to achieve to beat this, I may as well give up now. That would not be a healthy body weight for me and I have no wish to look like that. I'm sick of people telling me how I should look!!!! - is anorexia the way forward? You do know that people eat cotton wool balls in an effort to get down that low don't you? - I don't know what the carb count of a cotton wool ball is.


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Stuffedolive, perhaps it would be best for you to refrain from commenting on the science you clearly don't understand or appreciate. I prefer to discuss such matters with people who have the knowledge to do more than condemn facts.

When you've buried enough friends and relatives, all of whome took responsibility for their diet and lifestyle just as you do for yourself, then perhaps you'll understand why some of us want to fix the cause.

If you want to see pseudo-science why not browse the Natural News or Dr. Oz. I'm sure you'll enjoy it because it will support your limited point of view completely.

As for me, I will continue to support both in my words and in my actions those who are working to find a cause for diabetes so that eventually there can be a way to prevent or cure all types of diabetes.
 
@hornplayer, I think you have a lot of valid points and portray them well. I am still sticking by my opinions but I also feel bad that some are upset.
I feel obesity and lifestyle is a worldwide issue. Not just UK, certainly not just diabetes sufferers. I don't blame any individual. I make poor lifestyle choices and am a little overweight. I also hear things from my friends and family such as "you can't eat sugar" or "diabetes is down to lifestyle" etc.
i find these remarks just as frustrating as everyone else. I don't blame these people, it's ignorance. I am fairly newly diagnosed but prior to that, I thought the same. It's only when you become diabetic that you start reading and educating yourself. How much do you know about other conditions ? Myself, very little.
I just feel bad that you are now ashamed of your diabetes and feel that you need to stop eating ! If this is anything that I have said, I'm sorry. I hope you change your opinion about yourself eventually and keep fighting.



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Well quite honestly I am disgusted at some of the ill considered and factually incorrect postss by some members on this thread, this idiot of a Professor has no idea how to get people to lose weight if he thinks that insulting them will do the trick.

And this attitude seems to be breeding in this country now with our government virtually accusing all those on benefits as being idle benefit cheats when the truth is very different and now we have a professor calling all overweight people lazy porkers!! I think its disgusting and ignorant that anyone least of all a professor should use this type of narrative while talking in public, it is divisive and totally useless at solving anything, all it does is reinforce the totaly wrong image that diabetics brought it on themselves.

Lets all pick on the fat person and bully them some more so they will get even more depressed and eat even more and get fatter so we can ridicule them some more etc etc etc.

IT IS WRONG TO BULLY PEOPLE.

Here are some facts:
1. 80% of newly diagnosed diabetics are overweight. It is not uncommon for T2 diabetics to put on weight prior to diagnosis as their insulin resistance increases they produce more and more insulin. Insulin is a growth hormone. This doesnt mean that every diabetics weight is a result of their condition but it is a factor that a professor talking about diabetes should be aware of.

2. Under 20% of overweight people will develop diabetes. So being overweight causes diabetes does it? Obviously not!!

3. No one plans to be overweight, fat or obese, it is not a lifestyle choice that people aspire to and it doesnt happen overnight and if it was an easy problem to solve then there wouldnt be a multi million £ industry built around slimming.

4. Telling someone they should lose weight/stop drinking/stop using drugs/stop smoking doesnt work. You need to address the underlying issues that cause these problems in the first place and the least likely thing to work is insults.

Some people should be ashamed of their comments and this professor is one of them.
 
I think some people need to go listen to what was said and not what they assumed was said.

He may have been blunt and you may not like it but it was a long way from bullying.
Telling people they are disgusting for having an opinion.... hmm

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@Sidbonkers, I agree with a lot of your post and you have made excellent thought provoking comments on many other posts too. However, your comment "telling people who eat too much, drink too much or take drugs to stop doesn't work" is not one I agree with.
People need to make their own choices but others can still state their opinion. If I discovered one of my children started smoking or taking drugs do you not think I wouldn't tell them to stop ? Ultimately, agreed, their decision but it's human nature to tell people to stop doing something you believe to be wrong.
 
Sid Bonkers said:
we have a professor calling all overweight people lazy porkers!!.
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no he didn't - as a nation, we do less exercise (the lazy bit) and consume more calories (the porkers bit) than we used to - hence we are turning into a nation of lazy porkers. Most overweight people I know ignore all dietary and exercise advice. That doesn't mean all overweigh people are lazy porkers, but a good deal are. Don't take it personally.

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2. Under 20% of overweight people will develop diabetes. So being overweight causes diabetes does it? Obviously not!!.
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don't confuse overweight and obese - the number of obese people who will develop diabetes is much greater and the number of obese people is increasing as people shovel empty calories down their throats in ever increasing amounts. Don't deny the facts.

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3. No one plans to be overweight, fat or obese, it is not a lifestyle choice that people aspire to .
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wrong again - in some cultures it is an aspiration to be fat as thinness is associated with poverty

Sid Bonkers said:
the least likely thing to work is insults.
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I'm sorry, in my book 'lazy porker' really doesn't count as much of an insult. It might in a nursery classroom but as adults we need to look beyond the word choice and embrace the message. Too many young people yet to develop diabetes choose not to think about it and are happy to chomp on pizza after a skinfull 2 or 3 nights a week. These are the people who need to be listening. we don't need to be pulling our punches here. They've had all the fluffy healthy eating lessons at school and it didn't do any good, and we certainly don't need to be telling them that it's not the pizza and the beer that's making them fat.
 
Hi All .

Can we please remember the OP and the topic is about 'a' media outburst .
Not to be taken with personal intent or blame within the forum .

We are a fantastic supporting forum to each member and wish for it to continue .
It is what we do 'best' here and it works wonders :thumbup:

Anna.
 
Well said Anna, blame and shame is not what this forum is about. We all feel shame and we all know how to make someone else feel it. It can harm people and does not always make them comply, in fact it often has the opposite effect.
 
stuffedolive said:
Sid Bonkers said:
we have a professor calling all overweight people lazy porkers!!.
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no he didn't
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Yes he did.

stuffedolive said:
Most overweight people I know ignore all dietary and exercise advice. That doesn't mean all overweigh people are lazy porkers, but a good deal are. Don't take it personally.
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Why would I take it personally, are you assuming I am fat, lazy and a porker? Because I am not, I may have been obese at one point before I lost over 5 stone (70lbs) but I was never lazy or a porker.


stuffedolive said:
Sid Bonkers said:
2. Under 20% of overweight people will develop diabetes. So being overweight causes diabetes does it? Obviously not!!.
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don't confuse overweight and obese - the number of obese people who will develop diabetes is much greater and the number of obese people is increasing as people shovel empty calories down their throats in ever increasing amounts. Don't deny the facts.
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I'm not, I know lots of people who are obese but are not diabetic. A fact I am not ignoring.

stuffedolive said:
Sid Bonkers said:
3. No one plans to be overweight, fat or obese, it is not a lifestyle choice that people aspire to .
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wrong again - in some cultures it is an aspiration to be fat as thinness is associated with poverty
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You know full well the professor and I were talking about the population of the UK. The UK does NOT have a culture that aspires to be fat. :roll:
 
If we don't have a nation aspiring to be fat then why is the weight of the average person 2 stone heavier now than 30 - 40 years ago?

People are fatter and lazier and porkier. Fact! Diabetes is one consequence...

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