Metformin... again!

CIarebear

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I was put on 500mg (twice a day) of metformin when I was diagnosed, gave me awful stomach issues so I was changed onto 750mg slow release (once a day). Had my first diabetic review yesterday, hba1c 101!

Nurse said she would change my metformin and has given me 850mg (twice a day) but I collected it earlier and it’s the normal type. Is there any reason you can’t take the slow release twice a day? I’m not willing to try taking 850mg of the standard release as I’m in a situation with work when if I take anymore time off I could lose my job. And the 500mg gave me enough trouble just taking one a day!

I’ve been back and forth on the phone to various people at my doctors surgery and all I’ve managed to do is get an appointment on the 15th February! Until then I guess I’m just taking my one slow release metformin once a day.
 
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Were you told that you should reduce your intake of carbs to lower your Hba1c?
Metformin doesn't help with reducing BG, so you will not get any better results if you are eating according to the Eatwell guide, potatoes beans and bread are far too dense carbs for most type twos. It is against advice from HCPs, but so many people are rebelling against the carbs in a 'normal' diet and finding that their diabetes is suddenly almost irrelevant.
I found that normal Metformin caused me so many problems that I just stopped taking it - a life lived like that was no life at all, so why try to extend it?
I felt so much better in a couple of weeks that I decided that Metformin and statins were not for me, and that seems to be the case. Unless your nurse can show some reason for the medication, I'd not be taking it. As it has such an effect on your ability to work, I do wonder at the reasoning behind the prescription - possibly there isn't any, just an automatic reflex to the diagnosis of diabetes.
 

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Is your HbA1c higher or lower than on diagnosis? Are you doing other things to help reduce your bloods sugars? Metformin only helps indirectly by reducing liver dump and insulin resistance so only has a minimal effect on your readings. Do you monitor you’re own blood sugars at home to see what’s keeping them high.
 
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Hi newbie here. Sorry to jump in but I am really suffering from side effects of Metformin. From reading what you say above do they not help with your BG? Why are they prescribed and what do they Do?? I was lead to believe they'd help reduce levels. I can't carry on feeling like this I've been confined to barracks this week and only just made the sch run! Any info would be gratefully received x
 

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@ClareBearJ and @Kay_2503 I’m not sure if you have had the brilliant information from kind @daisy1 . @ClareBearJ have you tried phoning the surgery and asking to speak to the nurse then asking for the prescription to be changed to what you need. I take 2 slow release metformin, one with breakfast and one with dinner.
 
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Resurgam

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Hi newbie here. Sorry to jump in but I am really suffering from side effects of Metformin. From reading what you say above do they not help with your BG? Why are they prescribed and what do they Do?? I was lead to believe they'd help reduce levels. I can't carry on feeling like this I've been confined to barracks this week and only just made the sch run! Any info would be gratefully received x
No - Metformin is prescribed automatically, but it is down to you to reduce your BG levels by reducing the amount of carbs you consume. Eating low carb foods should mean lower spikes and Hba1c results, fewer carbs each day means symptoms reduce or vanish away.
I only lasted five dreadful weeks on Metformin and a statin - a year later I am getting normal levels and have a new lease of life.
 
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Kay_2503

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Hi thank you. I am on a reduced carb diet and doing well on it. Do you mind me asking what happened when you came off metformin? What does it actually do? Thanks again. Great to hear you have a new lease of life!!
 
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Hi thank you. I am on a reduced carb diet and doing well on it. Do you mind me asking what happened when you came off metformin? What does it actually do? Thanks again. Great to hear you have a new lease of life!!
Metformin acts on the liver to stop it dumping so much glucose into your blood. It also helps reduce insulin resistance so your body utilises insulin more efficiently. I’ve been on Metformin for nearly nine months and tolerate it well after some stomach upset in the first week. It also has other health benefits. I’ll add a link in a minute.
EDIT Here’s a link: https://www.diabetesdaily.com/blog/5-surprising-potential-benefits-of-metformin-324858/
 
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Ah thank you :) I've been on it for a couple of months. This week the side effects have been awful ;( thanks again x
 

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Ah thank you :) I've been on it for a couple of months. This week the side effects have been awful ;( thanks again x
I’ve added the link about Metformin benefits to my previous comment. Are you on normal or slow release? Some people can tolerate the slow release version better.
 
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Kay_2503

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Thank you I will have a read. I'm on slow release ones. Told to take up to 3 x500 mg with evening meal
 

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@Kay_2503 have you been told to take them all together? I think I would be tempted to ring up the nurse and suggest your body might cope better with them spread over the 3 meals of the day and see what she says. I just thought separating them might help. The professionals know best.
 

Kay_2503

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Yes I was advised to take one then build up all at the evening meal. Can you take slow release across the day? Think that would be more gentle one me!! Thanks again
 

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When I was first diagnosed with around a 20 fasting blood glucose, I did not take Metformin for the first week and got down to 16 (I now know this was a great immediate reduction, so could have stayed off the drug). I was then placed on Metformin and initially had the runny tummy. Eventually I stopped Metformin and have not looked back. This is your choice to take or not.

When I was a newbie I could have done with someone giving me some food and other pointers, which are completely my ideas and optional for you:

(Avoid rice, potatoes, pasta, bread, crisps, biscuits, sweet fruits and fruit juice should be):

Drinks:
Water, Tea, Black Coffee

Breakfasts:
Bacon / Sausages, Eggs (any way), Mushrooms Tomatoes or
Mixed nuts of any type (minimal on cashews and peanuts though), Greek full fat Yogurt, Strawberry, Blackberry, Blueberry and Raspberry

Lunch:
Meat or oily fish / half an avocado, handful of nuts, celery for dipping in whole earth peanut butter and salad no dressing

Dinner:
Meat or fish, lot's of veg - broccoli, cauliflower, onion / garlic, tomato, radish. Full fat cheese selection or whole earth peanut butter using a celery stick or 2 to scoop up (trust me on this). Optionally some berries.

The above is the type of foods which will help as a starter, as this is low carb.

Some swaps if you are struggling:
Bread - Lidl high protein rolls
Pasta - Explore Quisine (if you can eat Soy) - Edamame Spaghetti or Butternut Squash Spaghetti or Cauliflower rice
Rice - Cauliflower rice / Celeriac rice
For cakes / pancakes - Coconut / Almond Flour

Snacks:
Cheese
Nuts
Deli Meats
Supermarket cooked chicken
Berries
Full fat yogurt

Miscellaneous:
Sleep well (very important)
Walk if you can after each meal
Try not to eat too late into the evening to get as much time between your last meal of the day and your first of the next.

I now eat just one meal a day after following much of the above.
 

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Yes I was advised to take one then build up all at the evening meal. Can you take slow release across the day? Think that would be more gentle one me!! Thanks again
I’ve seen people taking the slow release twice a day. I’m on three 500mg tablets (normal release) and I take two in the morning with breakfast and one in the evening with dinner.
 

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@ClareBearJ @Kay_2503

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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Is there any reason you can’t take the slow release twice a day?
None that I know of. I was put on the SR one as the standard one gave me awful bloating and indigestion I was told to increasethe SR gradually until I was taking 1000gm twice a day. I actually could not take that much as it took away my appetite so I was loosing weight I didn't need to. I am now on 500gm once a day
 
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