That's all true, but I do believe HCPs use this as an excuse to put us at the back of the queue because 'we won't do as we are told'.
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Militant Low Carbing & Body Shaming - What's Your View?
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Are you saying that there is no prejudice against fat people at all? Not in the healthcare system and not in society in general? And you think health concerns are little problems?
I have only had one HCP who hasn't judged me. I have even been judged re my weak voice and throat and have been told it's my own fault for smoking.....I have never smoked! Yes, it gets me down so I come here to sound off about it. Maybe I should just up the anti-depressants and stay indoors away from the world and away from the PC.
This is the one place where I can get my feelings off my chest. I didn't realise I was going to be judged here too!
I feel upset and belittled by this. There's always someone worse off in the world that's true, so maybe we should close the forum down altogether because our trifling little concerns about diabetes aren't worth worrying about?
Re Trump...I agree but anyone could see he was an arrogant **** and USA still voted him in.
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lindisfel
Expert
Sorry, I was trying to help not hurt!
The trouble is Zand the only way to fight prejudice sometimes is to ignore it.
If we can't change something we have to come to terms with it.
It is just my wisdom having lived 79 years on this planet riddled with prejudice.
I have had years of mocking because I have size 15 feet!
I just laughed when my colleagues laughed! The big joke was when I was an electrician in a gas works, were my specially ordered welington boots!
When a low loader turned up one day the rumour went round it was delivering Derek's Wellington boots!
What a hoot for everybody!
My friend and I were birders when there were very few.The girl I eventually married couldn't believe it when I told her. Bird watchers were a target of ridicule back then.
I see it all as lifes rich pattern.
ATB
Derek
Apology accepted. Sorry for throwing my toys out of the pramSorry, I was trying to help not hurt!
The trouble is Zand the only way to fight prejudice sometimes is to ignore it.
If we can't change something we have to come to terms with it.
It is just my wisdom having lived 79 years on this planet riddled with prejudice.
I have had years of mocking because I have size 15 feet!
I just laughed when my colleagues laughed! The big joke was when I was an electrician in a gas works, were my specially ordered welington boots!
When a low loader turned up one day the rumour went round it was delivering Derek's Wellington boots!
What a hoot for everybody!
My friend and I were birders when there were very few.The girl I eventually married couldn't believe it when I told her. Bird watchers were a target of ridicule back then.
I see it all as lifes rich pattern.
ATB
Derek
Yea I do tend to ignore it when it happens and like you I laugh too. It still hurts though and that's why I vent about it here.
The thing that upsets me most is that I thought I was doing the right things to stay slim. I just wish I hadn't bothered because I think I would probably be merely overweight now if I had never dieted instead of seriously obese. I suppose that's why I get so upset.
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Bluetit1802
Legend
Hiya fellow bird watcher!
lindisfel
Expert
Hi Blue tit,
Yes, have been most of my life, it's a fascinating hobby but more a way of life. I find carrying a heavy scope and tripod as well as bins and camera all day too much of a work out nowadays!
ATB
Derek
lindisfel
Expert
Sure thing Zand.Apology accepted. Sorry for throwing my toys out of the pram
Yea I do tend to ignore it when it happens and like you I laugh too. It still hurts though and that's why I vent about it here.
The thing that upsets me most is that I thought I was doing the right things to stay slim. I just wish I hadn't bothered because I think I would probably be merely overweight now if I had never dieted instead of seriously obese. I suppose that's why I get so upset.
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kokhongw
Well-Known Member
Because there is unquestioning, cult-like faith in all the decades old psuedo healthcare organisations...that are pharma and food dominated.
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SockFiddler
Well-Known Member
I've been watching this thread for a few days and giving my response some thought.
On the one hand, I'm pleased it was raised in the first place: it's brought out (I think) broadly the best in this community - including some past posters who we don't hear from very often - and a general consensus that we should expect better from ourselves and each other than the original tweet that kicked this all off.
This is a good thing.
The problem is, this issue is deep and complicated. We have all been fat shamed / diet shamed / mis-judged by people in positions of authority who are paid to help us. And, not only that, but in the process of being shamed, we've also been given - at times YEARS of - bad advice that has put our health and, at times our very lives in danger.
We forget that this forum is part of the leading edge when it comes to LCHF, and that the voices we raise here - in support, in sharing experiences, in giving encouragement - are part of the movement to rationalise LCHF (and other ways of eating) and move them from the "Fad Diet" list to the "Healthy Lifestyle" one - and we are seeing huge success when it comes to both our personal stories and the perception of Low Carb in the media.
But our resentment for the ways our health has been neglected and our lifestyles shamed is deep and hurts. Most of us have only followed what the Eatwell Plate and various doctors have told us to do. We've been watching This Morning and Delia and Bake Off religiously for years and we all thought we were doing the best for ourselves and our families. And now we're reluctantly at the front edge of a movement none of us particularly chose to represent: we didn't sign up for this; the NHS dumped us here when its advice - in spite of years of research to the contrary - failed us.
The difficulty with the original picture in the tweet that kicked all this off, is that without any kind of caption, that's a relatively smug-looking group of middle class white women all self-applauding after a hefty session of Putting The World To Rights. That image harks back to an uncomfortable past, where youth, diversity and experience went unvalued. But, worse, that picture does represent a hypocrisy: they're able to carry their extra weight without, apparently, a care in the world, yet we took their advice and now our extra weight is causing others to negatively judge us and will, if we refuse to change, kill us.
That's a hard truth. Especially when it comes to so many of the stories shared on this thread. I don't think it's especially shameful to feel resentment that some people can "get away with it" when we weren't able to - particularly when we were just following the advice women like this (including our loving post-war grandmothers and mothers) had always, always given us.
But, just as we always say when someone judges us for not being perfect-body beach ready, we don't know these women or their stories. We know they gave us bum advice for years. We know that advice has hurt us. We know that they're slow to change their tune. But we don't know them, and going after someone for their body shape alone - no matter the complex feelings behind it, no matter the justifications, no matter the context - is just plain wrong.
I'm relieved to see that, collectively, this forum reached that conclusion.
It's clear, however, that we have been hurt. And there is no single point of responsibility to blame. There is no Big Tobacco Conspiracy to take to court: the closest we have is Dieticians, whose organisations have sold seats to companies that peddle carbs. There's no real closure to that. There's no-one putting their hands in the air and saying "Wow, sorry, guys - we really got that wrong!", and that hurts us, too. So, occasionally, people lash out and point out uncomfortable truths about how we got to where we are. There's not going to be any single moment of closure here, just many little victories as things slowly change.
It doesn't mean we have to feed the trolls. It doesn't mean we have to stoop so low. It doesn't mean we all give up and go home. It doesn't mean we get to demand that everyone else changes their behaviour (including our Health Care professionals who are often stuck between a rock and a hard place). It's a complicated and emotive issue.
We've all made much progress and hard choices and huge changes. And after reading this discussion, I'm really proud to be a part of this community. Time to start healing, people. <3
Sock xx
On the one hand, I'm pleased it was raised in the first place: it's brought out (I think) broadly the best in this community - including some past posters who we don't hear from very often - and a general consensus that we should expect better from ourselves and each other than the original tweet that kicked this all off.
This is a good thing.
The problem is, this issue is deep and complicated. We have all been fat shamed / diet shamed / mis-judged by people in positions of authority who are paid to help us. And, not only that, but in the process of being shamed, we've also been given - at times YEARS of - bad advice that has put our health and, at times our very lives in danger.
We forget that this forum is part of the leading edge when it comes to LCHF, and that the voices we raise here - in support, in sharing experiences, in giving encouragement - are part of the movement to rationalise LCHF (and other ways of eating) and move them from the "Fad Diet" list to the "Healthy Lifestyle" one - and we are seeing huge success when it comes to both our personal stories and the perception of Low Carb in the media.
But our resentment for the ways our health has been neglected and our lifestyles shamed is deep and hurts. Most of us have only followed what the Eatwell Plate and various doctors have told us to do. We've been watching This Morning and Delia and Bake Off religiously for years and we all thought we were doing the best for ourselves and our families. And now we're reluctantly at the front edge of a movement none of us particularly chose to represent: we didn't sign up for this; the NHS dumped us here when its advice - in spite of years of research to the contrary - failed us.
The difficulty with the original picture in the tweet that kicked all this off, is that without any kind of caption, that's a relatively smug-looking group of middle class white women all self-applauding after a hefty session of Putting The World To Rights. That image harks back to an uncomfortable past, where youth, diversity and experience went unvalued. But, worse, that picture does represent a hypocrisy: they're able to carry their extra weight without, apparently, a care in the world, yet we took their advice and now our extra weight is causing others to negatively judge us and will, if we refuse to change, kill us.
That's a hard truth. Especially when it comes to so many of the stories shared on this thread. I don't think it's especially shameful to feel resentment that some people can "get away with it" when we weren't able to - particularly when we were just following the advice women like this (including our loving post-war grandmothers and mothers) had always, always given us.
But, just as we always say when someone judges us for not being perfect-body beach ready, we don't know these women or their stories. We know they gave us bum advice for years. We know that advice has hurt us. We know that they're slow to change their tune. But we don't know them, and going after someone for their body shape alone - no matter the complex feelings behind it, no matter the justifications, no matter the context - is just plain wrong.
I'm relieved to see that, collectively, this forum reached that conclusion.
It's clear, however, that we have been hurt. And there is no single point of responsibility to blame. There is no Big Tobacco Conspiracy to take to court: the closest we have is Dieticians, whose organisations have sold seats to companies that peddle carbs. There's no real closure to that. There's no-one putting their hands in the air and saying "Wow, sorry, guys - we really got that wrong!", and that hurts us, too. So, occasionally, people lash out and point out uncomfortable truths about how we got to where we are. There's not going to be any single moment of closure here, just many little victories as things slowly change.
It doesn't mean we have to feed the trolls. It doesn't mean we have to stoop so low. It doesn't mean we all give up and go home. It doesn't mean we get to demand that everyone else changes their behaviour (including our Health Care professionals who are often stuck between a rock and a hard place). It's a complicated and emotive issue.
We've all made much progress and hard choices and huge changes. And after reading this discussion, I'm really proud to be a part of this community. Time to start healing, people. <3
Sock xx
Guzzler
Master
Thanks Indy. First question, does/did Australia have a similar system? And the second, looking at cost, the constant atmosphere of patient blaming with regard to the elderly and those of us with so called chronic diseases is shameful when you consider the money wasted on QOF but more importantly the loss of quality of life which ultimately benefitted the big pharmaceutical companys is fundamentally immoral no?
Aseem Malhotra is right, we are over medicated. Fanu is right, but why so few whistleblowers? And finally, my nasty suspicious nature has been wrong in the past but this time, sadly, it was spot on.
Indy51
Expert
No idea whether the Australian system followed similar methods, but wouldn't be surprised. TPTB re diets and dietary guidelines seem even more intransigent here than even the UK to judge by Jennifer Elliot and Gary Fettke, not to mention the hysteria surrounding "Paleo Pete", especially in the mainstream press. The DAA are a disgustingly reactionary body and it's criminal that they get to say who is accredited and who isn't when it comes to dietitians. Diabetes Australia and related state bodies are at least as reactionary. Embarrassing is the word that comes to mind.
bulkbiker
BANNED
Sock is back.. and with a vengeance.. nice post!
MrsGruffy
Well-Known Member
My DE, just this week, told me that she was constrained by the guidelines, and that she couldn't advise me because of my choice to follow LCHF and IF. She was actually curious and interested in the information I shared with her (we spent nearly 3 hours talking which I'm sure is well beyond the timeframes for a standard appointment). She took a lot of notes - I tried to recall the best of the literature I'd read and the most convincing videos on the youtubes, and she did seem genuinely distressed about the potential changes which are emerging in what has been considered "scientific fact" for decades. You know the irony of a "scientific FACT" isn't lost on me at all. I know she's a mere mortal who dances to the tune of a huge bureaucracy, but I did see a human, curious, and patently frightened of the consequences of change human.
Yes that would be wonderful! Someone who really understands
