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I am working on this. This is very difficult.I'd find a new doctor who knows what rhey're doing.
I am working on this. This is very difficult.I'd find a new doctor who knows what rhey're doing.
I am going to do more research in to this lifestyle, before I convince others.Hi @charlie000,
So sorry to hear about the problems getting your doctor on board.
Mine wasn't really supportive, but didn't try to stop me either -- so your situation is a lot more difficult.
Have you considered sharing with him the trial results of Virta Health, who use a low-carb higher-fat diet for diabetics?
Here is a link if you are interested: https://blog.virtahealth.com/one-year-clinical-trial-outcomes-type-2-diabetes/
There is also a list of low-carb research on the Virta site. Here's a link for this: https://blog.virtahealth.com/low-carb-research-comprehensive-list/
Let us know what you decide and how the conversation with your doctor goes. Keeping my fingers crossed.
I think it's always better.
I eat a Low Carb diet. I have never understood why the High Fat is ever mentioned let alone emphasised.
People will rarely find a reason to disagree with Low Carb, by adding the HF bit you are just asking for trouble.
IMHO if we honestly want to encourage more people to follow this lifestyle, referring to it as Low Carb rather than anything else is the best way to get people to listen.
Can I just ask what you mean by High Fat?Thanks for all your responses. I am reading through them. After A Fib, I was very worried, my doctor thinks i'm 'mad' to go on a high fat diet. I will respond to each response shortly, reading through them now.
I just say Low Carb and leave it at that.I agree and have been looking for a 'name' for my diet, I tried 'low carb, moderate protein and appropriate fat diet' on for size and didn't think it helped. My very low calorie diet I did when diagnosed I called my 'Pollyanna diet' after the eponymous child in the saccharine sweet American novel as I used her technique of simply looking on the bright side and remaining resolutely positive whatever happened. It evolved into the 'Pollyanna and John McEnroe' diet after a while as I occasionally needed a voice in my head saying ' i cannot believe it! I cannot believe you would eat that!'.
All suggestions gratefully recieved.
You're right, I shouldn't lie to my doctor. I will do that. I'm going to go and see him Monday for blood tests, and then take it from there.@charlie000 - I would urge you not to lie to your Doctor. It does nothing to help anyone.
For all we know a fib you tell now could influence diagnostic decisions further down the line, and furthermore, if you do carry on as you intend, but say you'll use the EatWell Guide and do well on it, then you reinforce to your GP that the Eat Well Guide works well.
In your shoes, I would ask my GP for a raft of benchmarking blood tests - blood glucose, lipids, kidney health and so on, and a period of x months within which for you to work on lifestyle changes, with a repeat of the bllods at the end of that period.
If at that time, your medical and diagnostic markers have degraded, then that's a conversation to be had, but if they improve, he is unlikely to want to deflect you at that time. At that point, he is more likely to increase the "trial period" to measure again.
At the end of the day, if I expect my medical team to be truthful and candid with me, I must be the same with them. That feels to me to be an adult way to go about things.
Good luck with it, whatever you decide upon.
(If you are looking for comparisons of low fat v higher fat diets, there are some excellent, free to access, resources here: https://phcuk.org/t2d/ )
You're right, I shouldn't lie to my doctor. I will do that. I'm going to go and see him Monday for blood tests, and then take it from there.
My doctor was amazed and told me to carry on with the LCHF diet as it had lowered my numbers from 105 to 59 in 11 weeks. My nurse loved it she was very encouraging she asked about the food i ate and she asked about the high fat and that it was like a miracle that it reduced weight sugar and now cholesterol .
I think it will catch on slowly and if results are seen then how can they say it doesn't work .
Tell the dr that you want to have a diet which is going to lower your Hba1c and will be following the guidelines carefully so that by the next test your numbers will be lower.
He will need to know that when lowering the calories from carbs they have to be replaced with something else - what does he suggest, ask, and then you go mm mm - right - got that mmm.
Just because you aren't going to take his advice doesn't mean that you shouldn't sound interested in what he's got to say.
Show dr this. Just 1 page of success stories from this forum. 1000s more doing it with lchf. I have a fabulous booklet full of success stories I pulled together for an event in Birmingham last September if dr interested
Is that a directive, a suggestion or something else Ringi?You are going to tell your GP 100% truth, and nothing but the truth.
- You are going to advoid suger and all food with added suger
- You are going to stop eating takeaways
- You are going to stop eating readymeals due to the suger and trains fats they contain
- You will be eating
- Lots of eggs
- Lots of green veg
- Lots of salads
- Meat that looks like meat
- Fish thst looks like fish
- You will use a little olive oil for cooking and salad dressings.
PS, there is no need to add fat on LCHF unless you have a low BMI, however don't advoid fish/meat that has natural fat.
At my surgery there are a number of choices. I think 6. I just cherry pick out who I want to see if I am not in a hurry.I am working on this. This is very difficult.
I wouldn’t argue with you Jim.I pulled no punches and told my doctor and DN straight out “nutritional ketosis” and let the results speak for themselves. I was fairly forthright and I suspect they both knew better than to bother questioning it. Actually if anything there was a vibe of silent approval anyway. As though they endorsed my approach but weren’t able to say so.
In my view we’re not going to turn the ship around if we let doctors think that the outdated advice actually works.
Charlie, and @Debandez, it is after for both of you to utilise the sites private messaging service.I would be very grateful if you can share this with me. How do I send you my email address?
Charlie, and @Debandez, it is after for both of you to utilise the sites private messaging service.
Click the little envelope symbol top right of the screen, then click ‘Send a new Private message’. Populate the boxes, then click send. Hope that helps.Sorry I am new here and can’t figure out how?