#Myth 1 -Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness, heart attack, kidney disease, and amputation.

[Akram.Elsaadany]

I agree!

So you agree with him when he said that , but what about when he said "Hi
I thought Masturbation caused blindness !:wacky" ?!

So you dont want to talk about religious , its okay but also words like what he said had no place in our topic now , so be fair agree with him in his words , and also say to him that you don't agree with him when he said "masturbation caused blindness "
By the way thank you in advance
Hope for both to have life clear of any complications



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[Robinredbreast]

Please don't force your beliefs on me, and I won't force mine on you.
Religion has no place on discussions on how to manage diabetes.

God with us insha`allah ..., do your task ,control it , and let the rest to allah (God)

Hello Akram
Please try not to include religious quotes on the thread. You and others have views on diabetic care and management, but it is best to leave the religious side else where as the thread could become derailed and fractious. Many thanks and with best wishes.

 

[Heathenlass]

Hi Akram,
those comments were in reference to a previous thread on here, and something of an insider joke

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/diabetes-masturbation-is-good-for-you.50256/

I'm sure no offence was intended on either side

As for religion or spirituality - I believe there are many paths up that mountain, and if it makes you a better person and doesn't scare the horses, then fantastic

Signy

 

[Robinredbreast]

So you agree with him when he said that , but what about when he said "Hi
I thought Masturbation caused blindness !:wacky" ?!

So you dont want to talk about religious , its okay but also words like what he said had no place in our topic now , so be fair agree with him in his words , and also say to him that you don't agree with him when he said "masturbation caused blindness "
By the way thank you in advance
Hope for both to have life clear of any complications



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Hi Akram,
those comments were in reference to a previous thread on here, and something of an insider joke

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/diabetes-masturbation-is-good-for-you.50256/

I'm sure no offence was intended on either side

As for religion or spirituality - I believe there are many paths up that mountain, and if it makes you a better person and doesn't scare the horses, then fantastic

Signy

Thank you for posting the link, I was just about to find the thread for Akram.

 

[Yorksman]

Also, bear in mind what they define as "well controlled" A lot of those on this forum aim for far better than that!

That's the point. My DN told me not to bother contacting her unless my meter readings were around 15. Anyone told that but with readings of around 10 would think they are fine. Yet, the Belfast Study in the 1980s showed that fasting readings repeatedly above 7 would lead to a deterioration of control.

Aim to be in the normal zone.

 

[Yorksman]

I believe there are many paths up that mountain, and if it makes you a better person and doesn't scare the horses,

Surely you mean ibex:

 

[phoenix]

It's true that Polonsky said this but I don't anywhere in his writing or broadcasts see him suggesting that well controlled (or managed) diabetes necessarily needs a 'normal' glucose level. Indeed if you look at any of his materials you will realise that he isn't calling for 'normalised' glucose levels.
He uses the phrase as an introduction to presentations, in contrast to the fear producing statements and types of advice that I are so often used as a 'tool to 'motivate' people.
These are the sorts of things he says don't work.



The average level of those who completed the 'intensive' arm of the DCCT was 7.1% ie not normal glucose levels.
"those who had an average A1C of 7.1 after 30 years of diabetes, one percent had severe vision loss in one eye. Nobody was blind. One percent ended up on dialysis or had a kidney transplant, and one percent had had some kind of amputation, although most had nothing to do with diabetes. Those were NOT the kind of numbers we think about. So this is a brave new world" (Polonsky quoted by Mendosa in an article about his work)http://www.mendosa.com/blog/?p=1026


Sadly though 1% is still 1 person in 100 even in this population , ( ie people in the DCCT/EDIC trials) who I suggest probably have a better result because they have been studied/examined etc for 30years.

The behavioural institute which he heads seeks to research about and help people with the psychological problems associated with with diabetes. He is pragmatic and has lots of practical advice about coping and one of those is not to have unreasonable expectations

"With your doctor’s help, make sure your diabetes expectations are achievable. Stop beating yourself up when you eat more than you planned, forget to exercise or skip a blood glucose test. You don’t have to be perfect to reach the level of control that can keep you healthy."
http://www.behavioraldiabetesinstitute.org/print-preview/BDIFinal2ndEdition.pdf
link to resources on site:http://www.behavioraldiabetesinstitute.org/resources/print-materials

 

[mo1905]

do your task ,control it

I've edited this post. I totally respect your religious beliefs and I've no doubt it was posted with good intention but I also totally respect non-religious beliefs too. This is a good thread and hopefully it will continue but please let's keep it on topic and not bring religion into it. That is a personal thing. Thanks, Mo

 

[MarkE]

Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness, heart attack, kidney disease, and amputation. Is Myth OR true ?

• Detecting and treating diabetic eye disease with laser therapy
can reduce the development of severe vision loss by an
estimated 50–60 percent

Well, yes: but do remember that, even with such wonderful figures- and they are wonderful- a few of us do still fall foul of the odds.

It doesn't mean that we did owt wrong.

Just a thought...

 

[Jaylee]

Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness, heart attack, kidney disease, and amputation. Is Myth OR true ?

TRUTH: Actually, it’s “poorly controlled” diabetes that can cause these outcomes.

It’s no wonder even some of the most educated people with diabetes think complications are inevitable; every time you hear about complications,
there’s no distinction made between those who have wellcontrolled diabetes and those whose diabetes is poorly controlled.

Those of us who manage our diabetes well are likely to enjoy a longand healthy life, says psychologist Dr. William Polonsky.

The benefits of well-controlled diabetes is reflected in the numbers
The Diabetes Control and Complications Trial (DCCT) and follow-

risk of the following complications by the following percentages.
• Eye disease—76 percent reduction
• Kidney disease—50 percent reduction
Nerve damage—60 percent reduction
• Cardiovascular disease—42 percent reduction
• Nonfatal heart attack and stroke—57 percent reduction

The twenty-year United Kingdom Prospective Diabetes Study (UKPDS)—the largest clinical study of diabetes ever conducted,
with more than 5,000 patients—proved that lowering blood glucose reduces microvascular and macrovascular (small and large

blood vessels) damage in people with type 2 diabetes just as in those with type 1. Controlling blood glucose was found to reduce
the risk of the following complications by these percentages.
• Retinopathy (eye disease) and neuropathy (nerve damage)—25 percent reduction
• Vision loss greater than—33 percent reduction
• Kidney disease—33 percent reduction
• Strokes greater than—33 percent reduction
• Diabetes-related deaths—25 percent reduction

Keeping diabetes, not just blood sugar, well controlled reduces the risk of complications by the following percentages.
• Controlled blood pressure can reduce the risk of cardiovascular
disease by 33–50 percent, the risk of microvascular
complications by 33 percent, and the decline in kidney
function in early kidney disease by 30–70 percent
• Control of blood lipids, HDL and LDL cholesterol, and
triglycerides can reduce cardiovascular complications by 20–
50 percent
• Detecting and treating diabetic eye disease with laser therapy
can reduce the development of severe vision loss by an
estimated 50–60 percent
• Comprehensive foot care programs can reduce amputation
rates by 45–85 percent

Thank You For Your Time

My Reference is

50 Diabetes Myth than Can Ruin your Life and the 50 Diabetes truth that can save it , Riva Greenberg ,
“Implications of the United Kingdom Prospective Diabetes Study.” 2003. Diabetes
Care 26: S28–S32.
“The Diabetes Control and Complications Trial and Follow-Up Study.” 2008.
National Diabetes Information Clearinghouse. http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/
dm/pubs/control/.
Parker-Pope, Tara. “Diabetes: Underrated, Insidious and Deadly.” 2008. New
York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/health/01well.html.

Hi Akram,

I was certainly told this as a child... But not buy the Doctors.... The only diabetics i knew back then were elderly & I'll..

My mum worked in a hospital & used to come home telling me stories of "this teenage girl with kidney failure". Or "this lad going blind".
Possibly some guy "loosing his toes"....

Then my mum would reassure me that "if I kept good control? They would find a cure"...
Tie that in with the "catholic" guilt tripping of the clinic.. & the odd slot on "Tomorrow's world" about diabetes tech & it all looks pretty screwed up..

Every ten years there was meant to be a cure coming along in the next ten years for me.....

I'm surprised I never ended up stocked with a massive supply of insulin & test strips on a ranch in Utah....

 

[Arthur987]

Hello!! I'm new to this community and this is the first time I'm actively taking part in a discussion like this. I don't normally use my computer too much because I don't ever find spare time to spend online. I'm actually the only child of my ailing parents, both of them heart patients. I normally spend the day taking care of them because we can't really afford a caretaker for them. My dad has even had a heart attack last month and I've taken a semester off from my university because of dad's recent heart issue. Mom has been unable to walk at all since weeks . Obviously we can't afford expensive treatment so I've been checking out forum discussions, books like this one http://amzn.to/1mBATzD and a couple of YouTube tutorials on how to prevent and reverse heart diseases. I just came across your post today while I was searching for some healthy foods for heart patients and I found it so helpful!! It's so informative and I've even read out the first post to my parents just now. Can you please suggest me some way out of the situation?? Like some charity hospital that I can take my parents to? Please do tell me why my mum can't walk properly. Thanks a lot and keep up the good effort.

 

[Scandichic]

Hi
I thought Masturbation caused blindness !

Terrible man!

 

[Jaylee]

Hello!! I'm new to this community and this is the first time I'm actively taking part in a discussion like this. I don't normally use my computer too much because I don't ever find spare time to spend online. I'm actually the only child of my ailing parents, both of them heart patients. I normally spend the day taking care of them because we can't really afford a caretaker for them. My dad has even had a heart attack last month and I've taken a semester off from my university because of dad's recent heart issue. Mom has been unable to walk at all since weeks . Obviously we can't afford expensive treatment so I've been checking out forum discussions, books like this one http://amzn.to/1mBATzD and a couple of YouTube tutorials on how to prevent and reverse heart diseases. I just came across your post today while I was searching for some healthy foods for heart patients and I found it so helpful!! It's so informative and I've even read out the first post to my parents just now. Can you please suggest me some way out of the situation?? Like some charity hospital that I can take my parents to? Please do tell me why my mum can't walk properly. Thanks a lot and keep up the good effort.

Hi Arthur987,

Sorry to hear about your parents health issues.. It may help if gave a rough geographical location..?
Different countries have different policies on health care ect.

 

[Scandichic]

No Sir , I don`t Agree With You
i know alot of peop;es born with it and die around 80 years old without any Complication ,
Have Faith and trust in God ..,

by The Way Search about Book Called ( Diabetes Solution For Dr.Bernstien ) and read his story with diabetes and how he got all complication in 40 years old and start Low Carb Diet and now he is about 90 years old and healthy because of Low Carb ..,

Read papers associate with his life with diabetes ...,
Dr bernstien is one of the biggest Diabetes doctors now days

Thank you in advance

Sorry but I need to play Devils advocate here! What happened to freedom of speech?! Don't think there's anything wrong with saying "Have faith and trust in God." Why is this offensive? The poster is talking about diabetes control through low carbing and has quoted Bernstein, whom many people advocate.
The poster started by raising concerns about the perception of diabetes (many of us can give anecdotal evidence of this kind of response, where our condition is not taken seriously) and, if I understand correctly, the poster is not blaming diabetics for their condition but saying good control can help prevent complications. Isn't that what we all state? Don't we advise newly diagnosed diabetics on this forum to gain good control of our diabetes through low GI, LCHF, the eat well plate and all those variations? I cannot see anywhere that the poster has attached blame to diabetics for their condition.
I also think that the poster has a fair point when he mentions @Randburg post. Personally I laughed at the post and contributed to the thread @Heathenlass mentioned but at the same time I dare say it could cause offence.
I should also like to point out that the Op clearly doesn't have English as his mother tongue and is doing a **** fine job of expressing himself and giving a positive contribution to this forum.
Alhamdulillah

I don't speak any Arabic but believe the phrase means Thank God or tack och lov in Swedish!

 

[Arthur987]

Hi Arthur987,

Sorry to hear about your parents health issues.. It may help if gave a rough geographical location..?
Different countries have different policies on health care ect.

Thank you for empathizing friend! I live in Brooklyn New York.

 

[Jaylee]

Thank you for empathizing friend! I live in Brooklyn New York.

I had a feeling you were from the States..

I'm in the UK, which has a different approach regarding a health care system..
You may get the answers you need if you started your own topic stating your location?
There could be Americans familiar with, or have experienced what you have & possibly a few travellers too with the answer or advice..
Unfortunately your initial post will get lost in this thread..

I do however appreciate having dependant parents.
I wish you all the best..

 

[kyrani99]

@ Akram.Elsaadany
As far as my experience is concerned all of the complications associated with T2 D and non-diabetics are the result of malicious cheats and toxic relationships. After I got over diabetes and cancer and some retinopathy and heart problems in 1994 there were attempts to further affect my heart. They did cause me some more problems but I was able to overcome them. Then from 2001, I have been severely hassled to date (15 years ) to try and cause diabetes and complications. But while I had some small amount of problems, which I overcame, all that has happened is that I have learned all the ‘tricks of the trade’ and am documenting them on my blogs. Some toxic doctors recently admitted to me that “glucose aids” but only if they can sell the idea. IMO only at the extreme levels of sugar could the person be susceptible but at those levels other parameters are involved too such as very high blood pressure.

What I found is that the cheats aim to cause a person's immune system to act against them. My trump card is knowing that the danger (or sudden or unusual hot feelings/ unaware of fear directly) I sense at various times is really external. It is the basis of “manufacture belief”. I have documented my findings on this basic cheat of manufacture belief here: http://kyrani99book1.wordpress.com/chapter-1/

Typically I found that non-apparent danger issues are created and toxic related people are involved to make the source of the danger unclear. They then look to use the fear/ fight or flight reaction to appear as evidence for the ideas presented. So if those ideas indicate or point to the danger being in my body or associated with something I ate or did, they have been hoping I’ll fall for reasoning of “it’s affected my body”. It won’t work because I know, whether the ideas are conscious or subliminal, the danger is not associated with anything I ate or did. I know the danger is external and really Mickey Mouse, even though toxic cops are involved, so the ideas are lame, they have no basis. Those ideas fall away.

My opinion.. keep a diary and write about everything, what you did, who you talk to, what was said, who came to mind and most especially your ideas. It is a hassle but one that I found well worth the trouble. I have avoided cancer, heart attacks, heart disease and strokes. And they have also tried to attack my eyes, nerves, veins and kidneys all to no avail. IMO complications are not inevitable and very much avoidable. It is not about well controlled or not well controlled. There are plenty of people who have been "well controlled" only to die early of complications, otherwise known as "natural causes". Then there are also people who are poorly controlled and have lived well into their 80s and 90s. And apart from that there are plenty without diabetes who have died of these conditions. That is not to say that we shouldn't be mindful but I think stressing about outcomes that are not necessarily possible is harmful to health.

 

[AlexMBrennan]

What happened to freedom of speech

Doesn't apply - much like you do not have to let me in your house to tell your children about the evils of organized religion, diabetes.co.uk doesn't have to let people use its facilities in ways violating the rules of the board.

 

[Scandichic]

Doesn't apply - much like you do not have to let me in your house to tell your children about the evils of organized religion, diabetes.co.uk doesn't have to let people use its facilities in ways violating the rules of the board.

In what way is the op violating the rules of the forum?

 

[sanghai]

Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness, heart attack, kidney disease, and amputation. Is Myth OR true ?

TRUTH: Actually, it’s “poorly controlled” diabetes that can cause these outcomes.

It’s no wonder even some of the most educated people with diabetes think complications are inevitable; every time you hear about complications,
there’s no distinction made between those who have wellcontrolled diabetes and those whose diabetes is poorly controlled.

Those of us who manage our diabetes well are likely to enjoy a longand healthy life, says psychologist Dr. William Polonsky.

The benefits of well-controlled diabetes is reflected in the numbers
The Diabetes Control and Complications Trial (DCCT) and follow-

risk of the following complications by the following percentages.
• Eye disease—76 percent reduction
• Kidney disease—50 percent reduction
Nerve damage—60 percent reduction
• Cardiovascular disease—42 percent reduction
• Nonfatal heart attack and stroke—57 percent reduction

The twenty-year United Kingdom Prospective Diabetes Study (UKPDS)—the largest clinical study of diabetes ever conducted,
with more than 5,000 patients—proved that lowering blood glucose reduces microvascular and macrovascular (small and large

blood vessels) damage in people with type 2 diabetes just as in those with type 1. Controlling blood glucose was found to reduce
the risk of the following complications by these percentages.
• Retinopathy (eye disease) and neuropathy (nerve damage)—25 percent reduction
• Vision loss greater than—33 percent reduction
• Kidney disease—33 percent reduction
• Strokes greater than—33 percent reduction
• Diabetes-related deaths—25 percent reduction

Keeping diabetes, not just blood sugar, well controlled reduces the risk of complications by the following percentages.
• Controlled blood pressure can reduce the risk of cardiovascular
disease by 33–50 percent, the risk of microvascular
complications by 33 percent, and the decline in kidney
function in early kidney disease by 30–70 percent
• Control of blood lipids, HDL and LDL cholesterol, and
triglycerides can reduce cardiovascular complications by 20–
50 percent
• Detecting and treating diabetic eye disease with laser therapy
can reduce the development of severe vision loss by an
estimated 50–60 percent
• Comprehensive foot care programs can reduce amputation
rates by 45–85 percent


Thank You For Your Time


My Reference is

50 Diabetes Myth than Can Ruin your Life and the 50 Diabetes truth that can save it , Riva Greenberg ,
“Implications of the United Kingdom Prospective Diabetes Study.” 2003. Diabetes
Care 26: S28–S32.
“The Diabetes Control and Complications Trial and Follow-Up Study.” 2008.
National Diabetes Information Clearinghouse. http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/
dm/pubs/control/.
Parker-Pope, Tara. “Diabetes: Underrated, Insidious and Deadly.” 2008. New
York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/health/01well.html.

very useful and courageous thanks alot