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Hi
I’ve not yet been formally diagnosed as just had my first blood test today. The surgery called and said my level is 15, which is high. I’m scared, I don’t know anything. Is this really high? They talked about meds because it’s high, but I want to try and do it by diet. I am overweight and hoping if I can shift some of the weight I can help to bring my sugars down.
They tested me because I went in for a virus just over a week ago and they tested my wee, which showed sugar.
Since then i have been doing low carb, low sugar but it doesn’t seem to have made a difference.
I’m really struggling with this, I know I have done it to myself through over eating but I struggle with severe mental health issues and use food (and meds) to cope.
I’m just hoping for some advice and guidance from people who know more than me about all this
 
You've come to the right place. First time I posted was just before I was diagnosed. The advice I got here was amazing and I have felt in control a lot more than i would have.

Some lovely people will be along with some helpful links very soon.

15 is high, but the excellent news is that it is possible to reduce them quickly. You've made a good start with low carb but use Jo's (she'll post soon I'm sure!) Advice for newbies to guide you. Youd be surprised how many things have carbs you didn't think of.

Also.... if you are diabetic you may find some of your eating problems are due to craving carbs. Once I got my blood sugars under control I felt much more in control of my eating. I now understand WHY I needed to eat and it wasnt lack of will power, it was my body not using the carbs I gave it and craving more and more. Instead of scoffing 3 packets of crisps and 2 pieces of toast when I got home every night I can now control my eating. I may have an apple and peanut butter but I can usually stop there! I've lost 2 stone so far too.
 
I have learnt to listen and take any medication as recommended. For some like myself I seem to struggle to properly look after my conditions. This has recently resulted in a Hospital admittance due to not listening to advice. It can be hard so don’t be afraid to ask for help. Good look for the future and try not to overload yourself with information you don’t immediately need
 
Also... the test may have been an hba1c which is an average of the past 3 months. So your week of low carb wont show on that yet but you've made a good start.

You'll need a meter to test blood sugar.


Also, also.... metformin - which they will probably give you- can also reduce appetite so I've found it useful.
 
Thanks for your replies. I’m terrified of meds because of side effects, I suffer from severe emetophobia and scared they will make me sick.
Will they give me a monitor or do I need to buy one.
I’ve definitely found my appetite has lowered due to low carbs. My go to snack is now popcorn or apple with peanut butter on!
I need to lose about 4 stone so I have a long way to go
 
Thanks for your replies. I’m terrified of meds because of side effects, I suffer from severe emetophobia and scared they will make me sick.
Will they give me a monitor or do I need to buy one.
I’ve definitely found my appetite has lowered due to low carbs. My go to snack is now popcorn or apple with peanut butter on!
I need to lose about 4 stone so I have a long way to go

Don’t worry about side effects making you ill as they are safe meds used by millions. Not taking any prescribed meds will make you ill. I have found this too easily forgotten
 
If you take metformin (ask for the slow release version), emetophobia is not on the agenda. It is the other end you need to worry about.

If you want to look at losing round 4 st, Have a look at keto diet. It is hard at first, until you get through the carb addiction, then it is a doddle. The weight drops off. I would recommend it, even if you turn out not to be diabetic.
 
You will make a big impact on blood sugar with low carb. But don't be fooled by people saying wholemeal bread or pasta or brown rice is ok... it's all carbs!

I have another stone to lose to be where I should be but before low carb I lost soooooo slowly. With LC 2 stone was gone in 6 months. And you get to eat more fat, so cheese and butter are on the table again!
 
Hi people just reading your Hba1c results .. well done by the way ,, I had mine first done last Thursday thev5th would anyone here know on average how long they take to come back please? thanks
 
Thanks for your replies. I’m terrified of meds because of side effects, I suffer from severe emetophobia and scared they will make me sick.
Will they give me a monitor or do I need to buy one.
I’ve definitely found my appetite has lowered due to low carbs. My go to snack is now popcorn or apple with peanut butter on!
I need to lose about 4 stone so I have a long way to go
Hello @Ames37 ,

Popcorn and an apples... The only thing good about your new snacks is the peanut butter, and then only if it is the kind without added sugar. There's a lot to learn, and a lot of mistakes to make yet. We all have been there, taking wrong turns and backtracking all over the place! But you have time to figure out what are carb heavy foods, and what aren't. Trust me, the things you think are good for you turn out not to be (Like fruit, save for the occasional hand full of berries) , and what you've always been told is bad (like bacon), is excellent for a T2. It's the world on its head. I've made a little quick-start guide, as mentioned by @mouseee , and I hope it'll be of use to you to avoid a few of the pitfalls. Like popcorn and apples. ;)
https://josekalsbeek.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-nutritional-thingy.html <-- try this on for size. And if you feel you're ready to learn more, check dietdoctor.com, this place's main page, diabetes.co.uk ( not .org!) and Dr. Jason Fung's the Diabetes Code. But get your feet under you first eh.

Personally, the side effects of metformin hit me really hard, and that's when I looked into alternatives. I'd been put on gliclazide instead, but after a while all meds, including statins for cholesterol, could be kicked to the curb. The only meds I'm on now are for my thyroid and my migraines. So it can be done. Just is a bit of a steep learning curve. But we've got you. ;)
Hugs,
Jo
 
Thanks all.
So I shouldn’t be eating fruit?? Argh! I’ve been having berries and natural yogurt every morning for breakfast!
And the popcorn? I can’t have that? I have a lot to learn
My 3 month test showed 11.8, I don’t know what these numbers mean! So the fasting was 15, and my 3 month one was 11.8. Are these bad? This is really hard
 
Thanks all.
So I shouldn’t be eating fruit?? Argh! I’ve been having berries and natural yogurt every morning for breakfast!
And the popcorn? I can’t have that? I have a lot to learn
My 3 month test showed 11.8, I don’t know what these numbers mean! So the fasting was 15, and my 3 month one was 11.8. Are these bad? This is really hard
It is hard. And then comes a moment where it all just clicks into place and things start to make sense, believe it or not. The main carb-heavy foods to avoid: Fruits, except for most berries, tomatoes, avocado and starfruit. You having berries with yoghurt was actually a step in the right direction! You want the yoghurt to be full fat greek yoghurt though. The fattier something is, the more it'll slow down the carbs you do eat, and it's just about the lowest carb yoghurt out there. No spike = no damage. ;) Anyway, stuff to stay away from: anything made with flour. So bread, wraps, buns, pasta, cake... All of it, not good. Same goes for corn, cereals (yes, even weetabix), rice and potatoes. Anything starchy is out, as starches are carbs. Sadly that also takes out a lot of the underground veggies and legumes. (Though some are okay with legumes... Your meter'll tell you!) That sounds like I just told you to bin all foods ever, probably. But eggs are fine, as is meat, poultry, and fish. Cheeses are excellent, as are above-ground vegetables. If you've read the Nutritional Thingy I shared earlier, maybe use it to sort out a new grocery list...? It helps if you do it at home, because you don't want to be stuck at the supermarket going over labels for 2 hours straight and coming home with half a bag worth of air. Find brands you can swap, things you can replace etc... Easier at your desk than it is in the shop.

Your three month test, as you put it, is your HbA1c. I have no idea what 11.8 would be, as I am usually dealing with a different measurement and I don't know what units or percentage were used. And usually when i try to convert something I mess it up, haha. But your fasting blood glucose I do recognize.... And 15, that's pretty bad. Good news being, that you can totally come back from that. I did. So did many others here with me. It'll take some work, and a steep learning curve, but you can get your numbers back into the normal range. Getting a meter of your own would help enormously with that, so I'm tagging @Rachox in for some of her excellent info. Right now, getting your numbers down, if you're at 15 mmol/l when fasting, is going to take some time. Normal blood glucose readings would be between 4 and 7, and preferably never over 8,5, as that is when damage starts occuring. (Don't panic, you'll be okay). It'll take a little while to get this under control because your liver thinks you should be higher, as that is what you're used to, so your fasting blood glucose will remain relatively high for a while because your liver tends to dump glucose into your bloodstream to get you back to where it thinks you should be. So what you should aim for is a rise of no more than 2.0 mmol/l between before a meal, and 2 hours after the first bite. If you keep that going, your fasting blood glucose'll come down too.

All in all, it's a lot to learn. I know when i was first diagnosed and completely overwhelmed, besides terrified, it helped to take notes and underline things, so i could keep going back to them until my brain finally let them stick. Diagnosis is traumatic, your memory can actually get a bit of a knock. So maybe put a list of okay foods and no-no's on the fridge for instance. Repetition helps things to stick.

Like I said, you'll be okay, even if you don't believe that right now. You don't have to get everything perfectly right overnight.
Hugs,
Jo
 
It is hard. And then comes a moment where it all just clicks into place and things start to make sense, believe it or not. The main carb-heavy foods to avoid: Fruits, except for most berries, tomatoes, avocado and starfruit. You having berries with yoghurt was actually a step in the right direction! You want the yoghurt to be full fat greek yoghurt though. The fattier something is, the more it'll slow down the carbs you do eat, and it's just about the lowest carb yoghurt out there. No spike = no damage. ;) Anyway, stuff to stay away from: anything made with flour. So bread, wraps, buns, pasta, cake... All of it, not good. Same goes for corn, cereals (yes, even weetabix), rice and potatoes. Anything starchy is out, as starches are carbs. Sadly that also takes out a lot of the underground veggies and legumes. (Though some are okay with legumes... Your meter'll tell you!) That sounds like I just told you to bin all foods ever, probably. But eggs are fine, as is meat, poultry, and fish. Cheeses are excellent, as are above-ground vegetables. If you've read the Nutritional Thingy I shared earlier, maybe use it to sort out a new grocery list...? It helps if you do it at home, because you don't want to be stuck at the supermarket going over labels for 2 hours straight and coming home with half a bag worth of air. Find brands you can swap, things you can replace etc... Easier at your desk than it is in the shop.

Your three month test, as you put it, is your HbA1c. I have no idea what 11.8 would be, as I am usually dealing with a different measurement and I don't know what units or percentage were used. And usually when i try to convert something I mess it up, haha. But your fasting blood glucose I do recognize.... And 15, that's pretty bad. Good news being, that you can totally come back from that. I did. So did many others here with me. It'll take some work, and a steep learning curve, but you can get your numbers back into the normal range. Getting a meter of your own would help enormously with that, so I'm tagging @Rachox in for some of her excellent info. Right now, getting your numbers down, if you're at 15 mmol/l when fasting, is going to take some time. Normal blood glucose readings would be between 4 and 7, and preferably never over 8,5, as that is when damage starts occuring. (Don't panic, you'll be okay). It'll take a little while to get this under control because your liver thinks you should be higher, as that is what you're used to, so your fasting blood glucose will remain relatively high for a while because your liver tends to dump glucose into your bloodstream to get you back to where it thinks you should be. So what you should aim for is a rise of no more than 2.0 mmol/l between before a meal, and 2 hours after the first bite. If you keep that going, your fasting blood glucose'll come down too.

All in all, it's a lot to learn. I know when i was first diagnosed and completely overwhelmed, besides terrified, it helped to take notes and underline things, so i could keep going back to them until my brain finally let them stick. Diagnosis is traumatic, your memory can actually get a bit of a knock. So maybe put a list of okay foods and no-no's on the fridge for instance. Repetition helps things to stick.

Like I said, you'll be okay, even if you don't believe that right now. You don't have to get everything perfectly right overnight.
Hugs,
Jo

Thanks so much for this. It’s so nice to have people that understand and care enough to take time to post. I am struggling with this because I feel so ashamed (that’s just me though, always hard on myself) I have let myself get into this situation and I’m worried I won’t get out of it. I hope propel aren’t offended by that, it’s just my first gut reaction and I usually blame myself for everything!
 
Thanks so much for this. It’s so nice to have people that understand and care enough to take time to post. I am struggling with this because I feel so ashamed (that’s just me though, always hard on myself) I have let myself get into this situation and I’m worried I won’t get out of it. I hope propel aren’t offended by that, it’s just my first gut reaction and I usually blame myself for everything!
It's your gut reaction because it's what you've been told for so long... You have a metabolic condition that means you are unable to process carbs. But the past half century or so, people have been told to cut the fats and load up on carbs. They're in everything. And boom... Now there's a T2 pandemic, because dietary advice is all wrong... I was a big girl. I was already insulin resistant because of the PCOS, but I didn't know that. I wanted to lose weight for my wedding and I'd tried everything, but nothing stuck. So I went to the hospital's dietician. I did everything she told me to. And I ballooned. I cut the fats, upped the carbs, and I went from obese to morbidly obese. Few years later I was thoroughly diabetic, had a non-alcoholic fatty liver disease that was so bad they initially thought I was in the last stage of liver cancer, and I could barely move because I was exhausted all the time. Did I do that to myself? I didn't know my body didn't function correctly, and I did everything I was told to by the pro's. There was no escaping this, not with the EatWell plate drilled into me at school and later by the same dietician I went to once diagnosed a T2. Guess what she prescribed? Light products, lots of carbs, no fats. She could tell I was going to stick with LCHF and I didn't have to come back. I'm the difficult patient. I lost a lot of that weight, my blood sugars are in the normal range, my liver's perfectly fine and functioning normally, and I actually can walk a decent distance with my rather heavy camera gear now. Could't've dreamed of that a few years ago.

So no, this isn't on you, you're not to blame. T2 is a genetic issue, unless it's brought on by steroids or statins. This was going to happen sooner or later, and with the diet that is the current global norm, meaning carb heavy... You couldn't avoid it because you didn't know. Now you do. New leaf, this. Besides... From my Thingy:
"5. Are you overweight? 90% of T2’s are. Yeah, that means 10% are slim and always were.* If you did gain weight, it was the precursor of this metabolic condition. We make loads of insulin, but become insensitive to it. So carbs we eat turn to glucose, and normally, insulin helps us burn that glucose for fuel. When it doesn’t, that glucose is stored in fat cells instead. When those fat stores are full, the glucose remains in our bloodstream, overflowing, into our eyes, tears, urine, saliva… And then we’re T2’s. So weight gain is a symptom, not a cause. This also means that “regular” dietary advice doesn’t work for us. The problem lies in our inability to process carbs. And most diets focus on lowering fats and upping carb intake. Which is the direct opposite of what a T2, or prediabetic, for that matter, needs."

Keep that in mind. There's no shame in this, whatsoever.
 
Thanks for the tag @JoKalsbeek

Here’s some info on UK meters, and to be clear I have no commercial connections with any of the companies mentioned. For a meter with cheap strips go for the Tee2 + found here:

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-plus-blood-glucose-meter/ with the strips found here:

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-testing-strips/

Some members have got a free Tee2 by phoning up to order, with a large order of strips they often throw the meter in for free:

Phone number 0800 8815423



With more expensive strips is the Caresens Dual which I currently use, this one has the advantage of glucose and ketone testing in one machine, it’s to be found here:

https://shop.spirit-health.co.uk/collections/caresens-dual


And to be totally transparent I used to use the SD Code Free from Home Health which has the cheapest strips available. However I found it to be becoming less and less reliable. Here it is for anyone wanting to give it a go, just bear in mind it seems they are replacing it with the Navii, details below.

http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips

http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

There are discount codes if you buy in bulk.

5 packs 264086

10 packs 975833


Home Health have recently bought out this one too, but I haven’t heard any reviews yet, links to strips and the meter:

https://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/glucose-navii-blood-glucose-test-strips-50-strip-pack/


https://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/gluconavii-blood-sugar-meter-glucose-monitor-starter-kit/


I think @DCUKMod has some discount codes for the Navii strips


Don’t forget to check the box if you have pre diabetes or diabetes so you can buy VAT free. (for all meters and strips)
 
It's your gut reaction because it's what you've been told for so long... You have a metabolic condition that means you are unable to process carbs. But the past half century or so, people have been told to cut the fats and load up on carbs. They're in everything. And boom... Now there's a T2 pandemic, because dietary advice is all wrong... I was a big girl. I was already insulin resistant because of the PCOS, but I didn't know that. I wanted to lose weight for my wedding and I'd tried everything, but nothing stuck. So I went to the hospital's dietician. I did everything she told me to. And I ballooned. I cut the fats, upped the carbs, and I went from obese to morbidly obese. Few years later I was thoroughly diabetic, had a non-alcoholic fatty liver disease that was so bad they initially thought I was in the last stage of liver cancer, and I could barely move because I was exhausted all the time. Did I do that to myself? I didn't know my body didn't function correctly, and I did everything I was told to by the pro's. There was no escaping this, not with the EatWell plate drilled into me at school and later by the same dietician I went to once diagnosed a T2. Guess what she prescribed? Light products, lots of carbs, no fats. She could tell I was going to stick with LCHF and I didn't have to come back. I'm the difficult patient. I lost a lot of that weight, my blood sugars are in the normal range, my liver's perfectly fine and functioning normally, and I actually can walk a decent distance with my rather heavy camera gear now. Could't've dreamed of that a few years ago.

So no, this isn't on you, you're not to blame. T2 is a genetic issue, unless it's brought on by steroids or statins. This was going to happen sooner or later, and with the diet that is the current global norm, meaning carb heavy... You couldn't avoid it because you didn't know. Now you do. New leaf, this. Besides... From my Thingy:
"5. Are you overweight? 90% of T2’s are. Yeah, that means 10% are slim and always were.* If you did gain weight, it was the precursor of this metabolic condition. We make loads of insulin, but become insensitive to it. So carbs we eat turn to glucose, and normally, insulin helps us burn that glucose for fuel. When it doesn’t, that glucose is stored in fat cells instead. When those fat stores are full, the glucose remains in our bloodstream, overflowing, into our eyes, tears, urine, saliva… And then we’re T2’s. So weight gain is a symptom, not a cause. This also means that “regular” dietary advice doesn’t work for us. The problem lies in our inability to process carbs. And most diets focus on lowering fats and upping carb intake. Which is the direct opposite of what a T2, or prediabetic, for that matter, needs."

Keep that in mind. There's no shame in this, whatsoever.

Thank you
 
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