Not exercising is worse for your health than diabetes

[Dillinger]

I wont argue that exercise is not a very good way to improve your health not I do take exception to the fact made in the video that exercise helps with arthritis, as having had over a year of physiotherapy when after every session I was in agony for three days I can categorically say that in my case at least that statement just is not true.

Here you are Sid; low-carbing may help with inflammation and arthritis - may be worth a go?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/34074 ... lammation/

Dillinger

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Dillenger, why do you feel the need to offer me advice when I haven't asked for any, oh yes, you are trying to wind me up arent you.

But do tell me how a low carb diet can repair bone and damaged nerves :roll:

Please stop trying to push your beliefs on me. You know I am not interested as I have made my position crystal clear on more than one occasion.

 

[CollieBoy]

Borofergie,

I bet them calves look lovely..


Simply_h.

E-E-E-E-E
She was only a herders daughter but she couldn,t keep her calves together! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[xyzzy]

low-carbing may help with inflammation and arthritis - may be worth a go?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/34074 ... lammation/
Dillinger

Thanks for that Dillinger most helpful. It is one of the reasons MW does VLC as it helps with her inflammation issues and she's found it helps her reduce the amount of pain killers she needs to take.

 

[borofergie]

low-carbing may help with inflammation and arthritis - may be worth a go?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/34074 ... lammation/
Dillinger

Thanks for that Dillinger most helpful. It is one of the reasons MW does VLC as it helps with her inflammation issues and she's found it helps her reduce the amount of pain killers she needs to take.

Reduction of inflammation is the key to the whole diabetes and obesity (plus heart disease, plus cancer) thing, it's good that it helps with arthritis too.

Paul Jaminet has some interesting thoughts on diet and arthritis:
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/category/d ... arthritis/

 

[Grazer]

low-carbing may help with inflammation and arthritis - may be worth a go?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/34074 ... lammation/
Dillinger

Thanks for that Dillinger most helpful. It is one of the reasons MW does VLC as it helps with her inflammation issues and she's found it helps her reduce the amount of pain killers she needs to take.

Reduction of inflammation is the key to the whole diabetes and obesity thing, it's good that it helps with arthritis too.

My mum, her of 93 years with 8 hip ops, (no she's not a spider) has been told no OJ, and avoid sugary (carby? though not said) food and drink. Apparently about a bottle of Scotch a week is OK though :think:

 

[Defren]

low-carbing may help with inflammation and arthritis - may be worth a go?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/34074 ... lammation/
Dillinger

Thanks for that Dillinger most helpful. It is one of the reasons MW does VLC as it helps with her inflammation issues and she's found it helps her reduce the amount of pain killers she needs to take.

Snap. My painkillers are now hugely less than they were before, as is my Naproxen, and I can walk much further, well actually I can walk now. I was on Tramadol, now I am on Dihydrocodeine and Paracetamol and have odd days where I need no pain relief, other days a much reduced amount.

 

[xyzzy]

low-carbing may help with inflammation and arthritis - may be worth a go?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/34074 ... lammation/
Dillinger

Thanks for that Dillinger most helpful. It is one of the reasons MW does VLC as it helps with her inflammation issues and she's found it helps her reduce the amount of pain killers she needs to take.

Reduction of inflammation is the key to the whole diabetes and obesity (plus heart disease, plus cancer) thing, it's good that it helps with arthritis too.

Paul Jaminet has some interesting thoughts on diet and arthritis:
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/category/d ... arthritis/

Yes the inflammation thing is very interesting. There's some decent research to show Ginger and Ginseng are good general anti inflammatories and of course there is a known link between inflammation and insulin resistance. Taking Omega 3 is apparently a good way of reducing insulin resistance (at least in mice) because of its anti inflammatory action I upped my Omega 3 to 2g a day after reading this well known study.

http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(10)00888-3?switch=standard

 

[Unbeliever]

I always thought that there were exercises for {almost] everyone. I am quite surprised to read what Sid says about it as I remeber his saying that his daugher is a physio so she would know if there was suitable exercise for him.

it must be another very individual matter. I know an arthritis sufferer who is prescribed hydrotherapy but insists it makes her worse.
My sister recently had an xray of her arthritic knee wwhich necessiated her knee being placed in a position which caused her considerable pain. About half an hour later the knee felt better than it had for years. Unfortunaely the relief only lasted for an hour o rso.

I am a great believer in physio and find it extremely disturbing that therapists are disappearing from the NHS.
I am sure that most people with joint and muscular problems could benefit from some form of exercise but it would need to be worked out individually with a physio. That could save an appreciable amount on tthe NHS drugs bill beside all the other benefits to the sufferer.

 

[Defren]

I always thought that there were exercises for {almost] everyone. I am quite surprised to read what Sid says about it as I remeber his saying that his daugher is a physio so she would know if there was suitable exercise for him.

it must be another very individual matter. I know an arthritis sufferer who is prescribed hydrotherapy but insists it makes her worse.
My sister recently had an xray of her arthritic knee wwhich necessiated her knee being placed in a position which caused her considerable pain. About half an hour later the knee felt better than it had for years. Unfortunaely the relief only lasted for an hour o rso.

I am a great believer in physio and find it extremely disturbing that therapists are disappearing from the NHS.
I am sure that most people with joint and muscular problems could benefit from some form of exercise but it would need to be worked out individually with a physio. That could save an appreciable amount on tthe NHS drugs bill beside all the other benefits to the sufferer.

Years ago I used to have a hot oil therapy at the physio. It involved putting my hands into what looked like a bain marie filled with warm oil and keeping them there around 15-20 minutes. Then they would be put into a plastic bag, and wrapped up in towels to keep the heat in. I used to go home, and be pain free and able to use my hands properly for around two - three days, it was wonderful. All gone now of course, unless you go private.

 

[Dillinger]

Yes the inflammation thing is very interesting. There's some decent research to show Ginger and Ginseng are good general anti inflammatories and of course there is a known link between inflammation and insulin resistance. Taking Omega 3 is apparently a good way of reducing insulin resistance (at least in mice) because of its anti inflammatory action I upped my Omega 3 to 2g a day after reading this well known study.

Good stuff Xyzzy - is that 2g a day of DHA and EPA? Is that very expensive? Do you think it's working?

Best

Dillinger

 

[borofergie]

Taking Omega 3 is apparently a good way of reducing insulin resistance (at least in mice) because of its anti inflammatory action I upped my Omega 3 to 2g a day after reading this well known study.

Supplementing Omega 3 is a pretty bad idea unless you seriously cut back on your Omega 6s. If you're eating vegetable oils (seed oils are worst, but even olive oil is bad), anything grain based, or animals that eat grain (chicken being the worst) then your 6 to 3 ratio will be so out of kilter that there is not point in taking Omega 3. The ideal ratio is 2 to 4:1. Most people run at 15:1 or more.

That's one of the central tenets of the Paleo thing: we didn't evolve to eat grains, and our food chain is so polluted by them, that we all get a massive overdose of Omega 6s which competes for receptors with Omega 3s. This means that Omega 3 in your fish oil doesn't get utilised properly, and all you're doing is increasing your intake of unhealthy polyunsaturated fatty acids.

I try and eat a bit of oily fish, but try and avoid anything that derives from grains, especially vegetable oils (I limit my olive oil intake).

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/month/may-2009

 

[noblehead]

Extra Strength Cod Liver oil off the spoon every-time!

 

[Grazer]

I upped my Omega 3 to 2g a day after reading this well known study.

With this, the bitter melon pills, cinnamon pills, and can't even remember the others, you must sound like a pill pot when you walk! Does your dog have a little barrel on his collar to keep all your tabs in? :lol:

 

[Dillinger]

The ideal ratio is 2 to 4:1. Most people run at 15:1 or more.

So that's Omega 6 : Omega 3? Then why not take more Omega 3 to up that ratio? Or am I being thick? If you are on a 10:1 ratio and double your Omega 3 then you'll be on a 5:1 ratio - which is better isn't it?

This groovy graphic seems to suggest there's some good evidence for taking Omega 3 and I have been for years (so I hope it's not wrong)

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/p ... pplements/

Best

Dillinger

 

[xyzzy]

Yes the inflammation thing is very interesting. There's some decent research to show Ginger and Ginseng are good general anti inflammatories and of course there is a known link between inflammation and insulin resistance. Taking Omega 3 is apparently a good way of reducing insulin resistance (at least in mice) because of its anti inflammatory action I upped my Omega 3 to 2g a day after reading this well known study.

Do you think it's working?

I have seen no changes what-so-ever yet. Maybe its because I run at low BG's anyway but I'll give it a couple more weeks then give up and revert back to just 1g a day. I could never trace an RDA for Omega 3 and would be worried at taking loads. I read some sites where they where recommending 10g a day which seemed excessive to say the least!

 

[borofergie]

The ideal ratio is 2 to 4:1. Most people run at 15:1 or more.

So that's Omega 6 : Omega 3? Then why not take more Omega 3 to up that ratio? Or am I being thick? If you are on a 10:1 ratio and double your Omega 3 then you'll be on a 5:1 ratio - which is better isn't it?

Because then you end up taking loads and loads of PUFAs (Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids), which are essential in small quantities, but harmful if you eat loads of them (they cause oxidative stress, which ultimately causes inflammation).

The best way is to reduce your Omega 6 intake by staying away from grains, grain and see oils and grain fed meet. But that's kind of tough when vegetable oils are in nearly everything. Eat less chicken and pork and more red meat (just like you evolved to).

If you eat less Omega 6, you can get all the Omega 3 you need from a little bit of oily fish or Omega 3 enhanced eggs.

 

[xyzzy]

I upped my Omega 3 to 2g a day after reading this well known study.

With this, the bitter melon pills, cinnamon pills, and can't even remember the others, you must sound like a pill pot when you walk! Does your dog have a little barrel on his collar to keep all your tabs in? :lol:

Well my BG regime seems to work fine. I really do recommend the Cinnamon (has to be American) and Bitter Melon is a prescribed glycemic control med in many countries it works a treat as an anti spiking thing. Some of the others I take just because I sit on the fence about statins. I take my statin like a good little doggie then compensate via Co enzyme Q10 and some minor Vitamin supplements to counteract any supposed downside or that's the "feory"

 

[Sid Bonkers]

I always thought that there were exercises for {almost] everyone. I am quite surprised to read what Sid says about it as I remeber his saying that his daugher is a physio so she would know if there was suitable exercise for him.

it must be another very individual matter.

I underwent a year of physio which only made things worse, the exercises they gave me were to build up my core muscles to help to support my back but all they did was aggravate it, so after every weekly session I couldnt walk for 3 days which is why I was then referred to a pain clinic.

I will comment quickly on Dillingers link just to say that anyone who loses weight will find it helps with back pain and the research talks about overweight subjects, so of course a low carb diet will help with some back pain just as any diet would. Unfortunately my pain is rarely in my back and is not inflammation it is caused by dead and damaged nerves around the lower vertebrae. When I do get inflammation around my lower spine the only treatment that works is hot/cold gel packs applied to the area and strong pain killers.

I would also remind some of you yet again that I DO LOW CARB, but low carb diets will not repair bone.

 

[xyzzy]

Good stuff Xyzzy - is that 2g a day of DHA and EPA? Is that very expensive? Do you think it's working?

No its dirt cheap Tesco's finest Omega 3.

It says

1000mg Fish body oil
180mg EPA
120mg DHA

Never realised Omega 3 was complicated. Sounds like when some of sussed out that only American Cinnamon works.

What should I be looking for in good Omega 3?