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Noblehead said:Where did you come to this conclusion? I like many others have the utmost respect for our gp's and other health care providers, just remember a bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch, so do refrain from trying to speak for us all when drawing your own conclusion!
Patch said:Noblehead said:Where did you come to this conclusion? I like many others have the utmost respect for our gp's and other health care providers, just remember a bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch, so do refrain from trying to speak for us all when drawing your own conclusion!
GP's are told what how to treat diabetic patiemnts, so maybe they're not to blame - they're just following guidelines, right? BUT, if after being told by a patient that following those guidelines has had an adverse effect that patients health, the GP STILL insists on spouting those guidelines BACK at the patient - that's just irresponsible.
Mmmmm, not to sure what you mean here Patch as the paragraph seems disjointed! :?
And the people that do "have the utmost respect" for these GP's are the one's who'll suffer in the long run.
Noblehead said:do keep in mind that these people are mostly senior citizens who have very little to lose in the long-term
Noblehead said:this dangerous practise
ally5555 said:The internet is a great media but there is also alot of rubbish on it - as a wicked HCP I do find it difficult that people will take advice from total strangers - just an observation!
Allyx
noblehead said:Patch, I am aware that you blindly follow the advice of a deluded few on another forum that contradicts any medical advice that disputes their own ideology of how diabetics should eat and control their diabetes, but do keep in mind that these people are mostly senior citizens who have very little to lose in the long-term, and anyone who blindly follows their advice without a professional medical opinion are plain crazy in my view.
Dillinger said:The reason there is such argument here and elsewhere is that IT COULD NOT BE CLEARER that the key factor in getting blood sugar under control is dropping carbohydrates.
Err.........you don't say! :roll: Have I said anything different Al ? I have more than halved my daily carb intake in the last two years to a level that keeps my bg within my own personal target range, I have, and always will be a advocate of carb reduction in controlling diabetes, my view has never changed since joining this forum. To what extent a individual reduces their carb intake is purely personal, not for me to dictate or preach!
This is explained again and again to people like Noblehead who cannot seem to understand that his pancreas is functioning to some extent and therefore his 'relationship' with carbohydrate is no more relevant to appropriate diabetic diet than someone who is not a diabetic at all.
We all have a relationship with carbs, it is impossible to eat a healthy diet without avoiding some form of carbs in vegetables etc, I think what annoys you is that I and many others don't buy the extreme low-carb/high fat diet that you follow, my choice and I want to be around a little longer on this earth to see my children have children, nothing wrong with that is there?
When someone repeatedly refuses to engage their brain the only proper response is disdain or despair.
Ally, Noblehead, Jopar and the rest of you; I despair...
Dillinger said:I am a Type 1 diabetic. This means I have no residual pancreas function at all.
Really, you know that do you?. Over 66% of Joslin Medalists appear to still produce some insulin. This suggests that many type 1 diabetic patients may still make insulin even after 50 years of diabetes.These findings have been confirmed through metabolic and post-mortem studies of Medalists
Unless you've had a C pep recently I doubt if you know. Besides which the other people who you mention also have type 1.
As for myself my C pep showed minimal production 5 years ago, although I might sometimes think I have some residual function my diabetologue insists that there won't be much
This means that my blood sugars are solely a product of the food I eat, the insulin I inject and my metabolic rate.
You are right that your blood glucose levels are affected by the insulin you inject, hence trying to use it in a way that as nearly possible mimicks normal insulin patterns as possible' with multiple injections or a pump. Where I live most people don't read English and so are far less influenced by the echo chamber of the internet, (it's an interesting exercise in itself finding out where some of the ideas derive from and the small band of people that propagate them)
People here tend to follow advice from professionals. Strangely, the people I've met on courses mostly seem to find the advice they're given works well.
Similarly people in the UK who go on a DAFNE (dose adjustment for normal eating course) seem to find it's advice works.
You also seem to overlook your activity levels (as do many people on forums) Exercise is a very important part of 'treatment', thats why on courses here there is an hour of it every day! It helps reduce insulin resisitance, something you have suggested you have a problem with.
The reason there is such argument here and elsewhere is that IT COULD NOT BE CLEARER that the key factor in getting blood sugar under control is dropping carbohydrates.
Rubbish: for the reasons above. Learning to count them, eating the right amount for your activitiy levels and above all choosing 'good carbohyrates' is fundamental. Cutting them out is not.
This is explained again and again to people like Noblehead who cannot seem to understand that his pancreas is functioning to some extent and therefore his 'relationship' with carbohydrate is no more relevant to appropriate diabetic diet than someone who is not a diabetic at all.
Obviously he can give up taking insulin, since according to you he doesn't have diabetes! SInce when did you have access to his medical notes and where did you gain your medical degree.
When someone repeatedly refuses to engage their brain the only proper response is disdain or despair.
Ally, Noblehead, Jopar and the rest of you; I despair..
How patronising, I am so glad I didn't read this sort of pessimistic diatribe when I was first diagnosed.I think I would have given up. Luckilly, I read about people who live life to the full, who climb Everest, run marathons and swim the channel. They sure as heck didn't do it by 'cutting out the carbs', though they are certainly very aware of them. On forums I read of people who had learned to use their insulin sensibly and live normal lives like Jopar, Noblehead and SueM.
And since then I've engaged my brain fully. I read of the the sucessful people, those who can control their diabetes, not let it control them.
I've also got back to finishing my post grad degree, a refresher comes in very handy when interpreting the evidence. I despair when I read some of the nonsense,pseudo science , dredging out of long ago falsified papers, misinterpretation of research and outright woo that gets posted in some places..
phoenix said:Oh and one remark to Nigel, be careful about the age allusions, I'm not that much younger than some of them elsewhere but I'm not yet ready to join the Darby and Joan club. You're as old as you feel!
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