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Obesity And Carbohydrate Addiction

Indy51

Indy51

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Indy51 said:
Zoë Harcombe chats with Dr Robert Cywes, bariatric surgeon (but fully aware that surgery can't change one's relationship with food), about carbohydrate addiction and obesity and using techniques from addiction therapies - a two part interview:

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/whats-the-one-true-cause-of-obesity/

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/what-does-a-carb-addict-eat-with-dr-robert-cywes/
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I listened to both of them yesterday, and bookmarked them for a later re-listen. They're well worth it. I found his comparison between carb addiction and other types of addictions particularly interesting.
 
I will listen tomorrow. Thanks @Indy51.

Of course surgeons see what's caused the obesity. How can they not? It's in their notes. Or at least a medical version.

Bypass op catagorically causes weight loss. That cannot be argued.

I'm just thankful I now know and have experienced in the past carb hunger, carb addition and/or carb cravings. So I can recognise the feelings/problem. Which is now none existant for me. I don't have emotion linked to food, not even pleasure so I should be OK. Fingers crossed.

I think it's because I get pleasure from the children and partner so not reliant on food in those adsences.
I'm lucky food has never been restricted in my common law marriage and my obesity, never been a worry. Or an excuse for bad behaviour.
I've enjoyed food and used food to get my hba1c lower. (Just like it can increase an HbA1c too.)

Bariatric surgeons just want to stop deaths and damage caused by obesity. They are trained to get the best out of their surgical skills and succeed in its main aim. Weight loss.
They may think psychologist are best placed for mental attitude to food.
 
Indy51 said:
Zoë Harcombe chats with Dr Robert Cywes, bariatric surgeon (but fully aware that surgery can't change one's relationship with food), about carbohydrate addiction and obesity and using techniques from addiction therapies - a two part interview:

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/whats-the-one-true-cause-of-obesity/

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/what-does-a-carb-addict-eat-with-dr-robert-cywes/
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Thanks @Indy51

I like these 2 elements which have been mentioned.
1)What do people eat when they avoid the carbs to which they are addicted?

2) How do people manage their emotions, when carb addiction was being used as a way of blocking out feelings – a coping mechanism?

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1)I ate more foods which needed more chewing. Proteins. More saliva helps break down foods better. Some argue, more satiety and gives leptin a chance to message brain, we are full.

2) Solve the problem which is causing excess emotion or have cognitive retraining to rethink the upsetting/problematic situation.
Modify bad habits of celebrating with carbs. Celebrate with none food treats. I believe cementing a new habit takes 6-8wks to be solid.

Carbs do give us cravings. Even my none diabetic sons want more after a McDonald's or some chocolate. I don't think it's a 'diabetic only' nuisance.

Carbs have been manipulated to make us crave for more. Shame on those who have modified our food to damage our health.

Even McDonald's are still advertising melon and fruits in their kiddies meals. It must be loaded with addictive carbs, no matter which ones. To encourage customers to return for their fix.

Now we know what we know all take-aways should have to have a special licence and not selling addictive products..... especially to children.
 
I think it also is worth mentioning that food addiction may not involve carbs at all. Food addiction is a complex thing. Eating disorders are many and varied, and its good to know that the psychology of someone is taken into account when considering bariatric surgery.

Often, without proper interventions, one addiction is substituted for another.
 
Indy51 said:
Zoë Harcombe chats with Dr Robert Cywes, bariatric surgeon (but fully aware that surgery can't change one's relationship with food), about carbohydrate addiction and obesity and using techniques from addiction therapies - a two part interview:

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/whats-the-one-true-cause-of-obesity/

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/what-does-a-carb-addict-eat-with-dr-robert-cywes/
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is there some way of seeing this written down please?
 
lucylocket61 said:
I think it also is worth mentioning that food addiction may not involve carbs at all. Food addiction is a complex thing. Eating disorders are many and varied, and its good to know that the psychology of someone is taken into account when considering bariatric surgery.

Often, without proper interventions, one addiction is substituted for another.
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I've heard it alot after bariatric surgery. Many start drinking alcohol or reliant on painkillers.
 
Indy51 said:
Zoë Harcombe chats with Dr Robert Cywes, bariatric surgeon (but fully aware that surgery can't change one's relationship with food), about carbohydrate addiction and obesity and using techniques from addiction therapies - a two part interview:

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/whats-the-one-true-cause-of-obesity/

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/what-does-a-carb-addict-eat-with-dr-robert-cywes/
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Thanks for posting this, certainly will be interesting to listen. There are no doubt some foods do provide no benefits, so being label as 'junk food' completely fits. Though it would be interesting to see if oneday labelling changes of food types to be called drugs and see how the general public reacts.

Assuming this is what the lines of the podcast are on. Will eagerly listen tonight.
 
Adding to this thread as it's the same doctor. He is now writing a book called "Diabetes Understood" and is discussing chapter by chapter in a series of interviews with LowCarbUSA. The first 2 sessions - introduction and chapter 1 follow. First chapter he covers his theory about obesity/diabetes and sugar/starch/carbohydrate "abuse".



I'll try to remember to add each interview to this thread as they're posted.

This is a link to the Youtube playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZubf5aqlDTK95jfsQQMAteSjRLN_CNRk
 
Thank you for posting up the work of Dr Cywes. I live in a town that has many addictions, I see thecresults if them. Looking at carbs as another addiction makes a lot of sense
Indy51 said:
Zoë Harcombe chats with Dr Robert Cywes, bariatric surgeon (but fully aware that surgery can't change one's relationship with food), about carbohydrate addiction and obesity and using techniques from addiction therapies - a two part interview:

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/whats-the-one-true-cause-of-obesity/

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2018/06/what-does-a-carb-addict-eat-with-dr-robert-cywes/
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Thank you for these wonderful podcasts. Dr Cywes' explanations finally makes sense linking obesity to carb addiction. I also found it great that the Dr promotes keto ahead of surgery. The main take home point is that carbs are addictive like alcohol and drugs. I have seen another doco lately where they described obesity as a genetic problem, but this explanation just wasn't as acceptable, and they didn't really explain how genetics leads to overeating. Dr Cywes explains it perfectly, thanks again for putting up such interesting podcasts.
 
Antechinus said:
Thank you for posting up the work of Dr Cywes. I live in a town that has many addictions, I see thecresults if them. Looking at carbs as another addiction makes a lot of sense


Thank you for these wonderful podcasts. Dr Cywes' explanations finally makes sense linking obesity to carb addiction. I also found it great that the Dr promotes keto ahead of surgery. The main take home point is that carbs are addictive like alcohol and drugs. I have seen another doco lately where they described obesity as a genetic problem, but this explanation just wasn't as acceptable, and they didn't really explain how genetics leads to overeating. Dr Cywes explains it perfectly, thanks again for putting up such interesting podcasts.
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There's a third podcast only published in the past week:

http://www.dietandhealthtoday.com/2019/01/how-do-we-overcome-carb-addiction-with-dr-robert-cywes/
 
Listened to part three on dietandhealth today podcast. It took "dieting" to a whole new level. I've not had addiction explained to me so clearly before; I've had a paradigm shift with these talks Thanks again for posting this up.

It would be interesting to know how many DCUK members have listened to these podcastes
 
Haven't listened to the podcasts yet, will do as soon as possible.

I've long puzzled over my "addiction" to carbs, which I agree may not be a clinical addiction but certainly had me behaving like an addict. I am sure that dulaglutide started last April changed my appetite just enough for me to break free. A couple of dodgy pens over Christmas (I think the doses were not delivered fully) had me right back in that addict mindset again complete with a few binges, A new box of pens this month, I'm magically back to not craving carbs.

Peculiar and interesting, and we're all different, but I do think this addiction idea needs more attention. None of us fairly intelligent, rational beings would go ahead and overeat on carbs if the urge were not all but irresistible. I have constantly been astonished at myself, my ability to cave in and go to the supermarket late at night to satisfy a craving or eat my way through entire boxes/packs of almost pure sugar.
 
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