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Bit late I admit I have just read an article that has all the hallmarks of a press release from the fear and panic generation division of the Diabetes industry about 3.8 million people in UK with diabetes. This figure --probably just plucked out of thin air --is said to include 600,000 people who ARE UNAWARE THAT THEY HAVE DIABETES !!! So "they" the "powers that be" or doctors or some other "workers" in the industry have found 600,000 people with diabetes AND KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES --- HAVE NOT HAD THE HUMAN DECENCY TO LET THEM KNOW. DESPICABLE. What is the world coming to. Or maybe the 600.000 figure has been plucked out of thin air to sex up this report in the Mail. I wonder what idiocy the June press release will contain. Tiresome.
 
It would be hard to put an exact figure on those who haven't been diagnosed as yet, the 600,000 will just be rough estimate.
 
It wont mean that there are 600,000 people who are known to have diabetes but are kept in the dark. It is an estimate of how many people may have diabetes but have not been diagnosed.
 
I was told by doc that most diabetics have the condition quite a while before official diagnosis. The 600,000 figure is only a guess though. Would be impossible to know a true figure.

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GP reckoned that I had had D for at least 30 years prior to diagnosis masked by drug therapy I was taking. Drug therapy is much the same just that the D is now known and recognised.



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I had a blood test in 2008 which now would be regarded as prediabetic, chances are undiagnosed and unknown diabetic for at least three years until just over a month ago.

Unless routine annual screening is introduced - which it won't be - I can only see undiagnosed diabetics increasing in numbers, whatever that number might be. Tragic really.
 
sanguine said:
Unless routine annual screening is introduced - which it won't be - I can only see undiagnosed diabetics increasing in numbers, whatever that number might be. Tragic really.
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And of course that wouldn't help anyone unless they are prepared to take notice and will go for screening either. I can see a situation where it's those with poor diets and who are least "health aware" that will be the majority of those undiagnosed.

Robbity
 
-is said to include 600,000 people who ARE UNAWARE THAT THEY HAVE DIABETES !!! So "they" the "powers that be" or doctors or some other "workers" in the industry have found 600,000 people with diabetes AND KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES --- HAVE NOT HAD THE HUMAN DECENCY TO LET THEM KNOW. DESPICABLE
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Or, in the real world, you could grab 100 people, find that 8 of them have eleveated BG that would be diagnosed as diabetes and notice that only seven of them have been diagnosed with diabetes.
 
Or, its just people that never go to the GP like my hubby and just don't know that they are over the levels to be diagnosed.. I think men are especially bad at going to GP's..

Also GP's have 10 minute slots for their patients.. 6 mins listening and diagnosing with 4 mins to type up actions... So time allocated to GP's to understand their Patients is limited.

To me its a guessing game.. A % of people diagnosed in the data that they get their figures from. All a guessing game... Just like the stats for guessing how many illegal immigrants are here in UK... If they know they are illegal why don't they do something??

Stats are just stats and to me unless they can quantify how these guestimated figures are concluded.. Then just take them with a pinch of salt.. Or in our case a dollop of cream..


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I think you took the 600,000 out of context, I think they just mean they don't realise they have it so they don't go to a doctor about it, not that they go to a doctor and the doctors hide it from them, I don't think we'd have doctors if the world worked like that

The 600,000 I'm guessing was just an average made, more then a guess i'd say
 
This was after all, in "The Daily Wail", not known for it's calm and rational headlines ;)

The headline itself seemed to imply that all these nasty diabetics ( who had brought it on themselves through their lifestyle ) were using up valuable resources of the NHS. " Take 'em out am shoot' em" !!!!!

Only further in the page was it said that more support and education for diabetics from the NHS would see a reduction in expenditure on diabetic complications. As per usual, only a sentence or so was given to differentiate between Type 1 and Type 2, with no mention of other variations.

The Wail annoyed me intensely because it's sensationalist hyperbole does more to encourage the publics perception of diabetes as being a condition caused by all being lazy overweight and therefore it's their own **** fault.

However that annoyance didn't last long as it IS tabloid sensationalism , and if the message of common sense reductions of complications by support and USEFUL education gets across, it's a good thing.

I do worry though that by stigmatising diabetic in this manner it may put off some people who suspect they may be diabetic from seeking a diagnosis.:(

Signy
 
The lazy overweight perception of people with diabetis always anoys me I am Type2 i have allways been active i am not overweight .My doctor says mine stems from working 16 hours aday and not eating regualy.Statements like the one in the paper realy pee me off .Anyway thats my rant for the day
 
No the figures aren't drawn out of thin air , they use a model based on available data.
The number of undiagnosed is estimated by applying the results of screening studies to the population as a whole. Using the data from these studies they apply them to models that take into account the variations between areas, (age, deprivation , ethnicity etc)
Here is one of the studies that was used to develop the current model:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19573116 . In this study, of the people identified with diabetes, 18.5% did not know and were therefore undiagnosed .

There is a lot of data about prevalence diagnosed and undiagnosed by area and detail about the current model here (very technical) http://www.yhpho.org.uk/default.aspx?RID=81090

In the UK there is actually a far lower incidence of undiagnosed diabetes than many places and the numbers who don't know are going down because of better screening.
The IDF estimates that worldwide around half of those with diabetes don't know they have it.

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myrio said:
The lazy overweight perception of people with diabetis always anoys me I am Type2 i have allways been active i am not overweight .My doctor says mine stems from working 16 hours aday and not eating regualy.Statements like the one in the paper realy pee me off .Anyway thats my rant for the day
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Yes, and think how much more annoying it is for those of us who ARE overweight and lazy, because of years of undiagnosed impaired glucose responses, causing the grinding low energy levels.

My impaired glucose predates the weight gain and low energy levels by years.
 
donnellysdogs said:
Or, its just people that never go to the GP like my hubby and just don't know that they are over the levels to be diagnosed.. I think men are especially bad at going to GP's..

Also GP's have 10 minute slots for their patients.. 6 mins listening and diagnosing with 4 mins to type up actions... So time allocated to GP's to understand their Patients is limited.

To me its a guessing game.. A % of people diagnosed in the data that they get their figures from. All a guessing game... Just like the stats for guessing how many illegal immigrants are here in UK... If they know they are illegal why don't they do something??

Stats are just stats and to me unless they can quantify how these guestimated figures are concluded.. Then just take them with a pinch of salt.. Or in our case a dollop of cream..


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It may be that men don't go to their GPs 'cos it can be a negative experience. Both my diabetes GPs when I asked them to add a PSA test (for prostate) to my HBA1C test said 'What do you want that for' with a stern look. Having insisted on a test it has lead me to having the resulting prostate operation next week. If I had gone along with them I wouldn't be aware of any problem until it was too late.
 
statistics are all generic and based on averages as we know,do you know an average person?,i dont,i was initially diagnosed as type2,,i know lots of obese people,my daughter and niece should be diabetic according to statistics, but arent,at my heaviest i was 9 stone,final diagnosis was type1,an auto mmune disease,not fat,thin,i dont read what papers say,,they get there money from rumour not fact,here you get the real facts
 
TuTusweet said:
Bit late I admit I have just read an article that has all the hallmarks of a press release from the fear and panic generation division of the Diabetes industry about 3.8 million people in UK with diabetes. This figure --probably just plucked out of thin air --is said to include 600,000 people who ARE UNAWARE THAT THEY HAVE DIABETES !!! So "they" the "powers that be" or doctors or some other "workers" in the industry have found 600,000 people with diabetes AND KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES --- HAVE NOT HAD THE HUMAN DECENCY TO LET THEM KNOW. DESPICABLE. What is the world coming to. Or maybe the 600.000 figure has been plucked out of thin air to sex up this report in the Mail. I wonder what idiocy the June press release will contain. Tiresome.
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Generally I applaud any negatives directed towards the daily hail or the daily fail as it is known in our house. Unfortunately I had blood tests in October and December last year which showed that I was diabetic (hba1c tests 62 and 75 respectively. ) My doc didn't let me know I had diabetes until 28th of jan this year! So in this instance , doc didn't have the human decency to let me know - I consider this fairly despicable!
 
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