Please be careful

[Maybird]

I agree that we should take what we need from the forum and then make our own choices but some people are very undecided as to what they should be doing and are willing to try anything that is suggested

I weigh it up and decide if it is good for me or not so I certainly discarded the advice I was given a while ago suggesting I should change my low fat diet to a high fat one and along with the low carbs that was what they had done. So I should have full fat versions of dairy stuff ie butter,milk yogurt,cream and eat plenty of eggs etc.as low fat is usually high in sugar.. I have not found that in plain yogurt plenty are not higher and some even lower than full fat varieties

That really shocked me that someone could suggest something that could actually be harmful for someone else to change to .. a high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it if they think it will work for them
That is why I think when it comes to diet advice on here people should be careful in what they say and how they say it and should always make the point that it works for them but may not be suitable for everyone. That is why I say sometimes it's best to check with the professionals as you do not want to do anything that could be harmful to you

 

[Maybird]

I agree that we should take what we need from the forum and then make our own choices but some people are very undecided as to what they should be doing and are willing to try anything that is suggested

I weigh it up and decide if it is good for me or not so I certainly discarded the advice I was given a while ago suggesting I should change my low fat diet to a high fat one and along with the low carbs that was what they had done. So I should have full fat versions of dairy stuff ie butter,milk yogurt,cream and eat plenty of eggs etc.as low fat is usually high in sugar.. I have not found that in plain yogurt plenty are not higher and some even lower than full fat varieties

That really shocked me that someone could suggest something that could actually be harmful for someone else to change to .. a high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it if they think it will work for them
That is why I think when it comes to diet advice on here people should be careful in what they say and how they say it and should always make the point that it works for them but may not be suitable for everyone. That is why I say sometimes it's best to check with the professionals as you do not want to do anything that could be harmful to you

Just found this on the board index

To all members

When giving out ANY information regarding diabetes, whether it's medication, foods or from your own personal experience. please ensure that you check and check again that the information you have posted is correct. As giving out misleading information or quotes (unintentionally) could put another diabetic in real danger. If in doubt, don't post.Maybird

 

[mo1905]

I agree with treating ANY advice with caution but the only problem with your advice is that even most healthcare professionals can't decide what we should be eating ! I have been given varying advice from different doctors. The trick is, try things out and see what works best for YOU !

 

[Mongoose39uk]

I agree with treating ANY advice with caution but the only problem with your advice is that even most healthcare professionals can't decide what we should be eating ! I have been given varying advice from different doctors. The trick is, try things out and see what works best for YOU !

Spot on

 

[Beachbag]

I agree with treating ANY advice with caution but the only problem with your advice is that even most healthcare professionals can't decide what we should be eating ! I have been given varying advice from different doctors. The trick is, try things out and see what works best for YOU !

Spot on

I agree

I thought this topic had been quite extensively covered on another thread ie "Bit worried about advice". I for one read as much info as possible, then decide what to go with. However, I am inclined to go with more of what I read here regards diet because it suits ME.


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[fatbird]

"a high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it if they think it will work for them"

What's wrong with saturated fat?

Results: During 5–23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.

Conclusions: A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early ... 5.abstract

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[dawnmc]

If we went with what you say Maybird, we won't be giving out any advice. We can only suggest what works for us. I'm sure we can treat people as adults when they come on here for advice.
Some people don't even know what carbs are or which is saturated fat. It's not actually taught anywhere.
So its a case of eat and test and what work for you.

 

[Thommothebear]

In the vast majority if cases people are only relating what has worked for themselves, we all have brains in our heads and it is our own responsibility to verify that what we are doing is sensible.

Frankly if people can't relay their own experiences what is the point of this forum? I for one will continue to read all opinions and if something makes sense then I will research it some more on my own and if it checks out I will try it. As it is low carb high fat is working very well for me, losing weight, low BG's in the normal range now and excellent cholestrol/triglyceride levels and ratios. I cant guarantee it would work for everyone, but I dont expect anyone to dismiss my experience either.


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[WhitbyJet]

I agree with treating ANY advice with caution but the only problem with your advice is that even most healthcare professionals can't decide what we should be eating ! I have been given varying advice from different doctors. The trick is, try things out and see what works best for YOU !

Spot on

I agree

I thought this topic had been quite extensively covered on another thread ie "Bit worried about advice". I for one read as much info as possible, then decide what to go with. However, I am inclined to go with more of what I read here regards diet because it suits ME.


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[tonyS54]

high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it if they think it will work for them

Maybird

Can you supply any evidence that high fat is harmful in the context of a low carb diet.

 

[Maybird]

high saturated fat diet is not recommended for anyone these days and could be even more harmful to those whose diet is a vital part of their treatment but that may not be enough to stop some from doing it if they think it will work for them

Maybird

Can you supply any evidence that high fat is harmful in the context of a low carb diet.

I was not talking about saturated fat in the context of a low carb diet.

 

[carty]

Maybird I think I may have been the poster you mention at the beginning of this post but I cant find the post if you can find it I would very much like to check what advice I did give I am very worried that I may have given advice that could have caused any one to have a health problem
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[luceeloo]

Why is this on two threads? It's quite confusing!

Either way... this is a forum, and like all forums on the internet it's a place for people with a common interest to come together and exchange thoughts and ideas. As this is a public forum, it's a given that none of us are qualified to give actual medical advice - However, there are many people on here who have years of experience with diabetes and can offer their viewpoint on what has worked for them. It's up to the reader what they choose to do with that information.

You are right that people are undecided what to do, and will try anything. I was in that position in the summer when I was diagnosed, but the thing that makes this such a unique disease is that something that works for one will not work at all for another. So, trying anything to see what works is not such a bad idea. In fact, as a relative newbie, the biggest piece of advice I would offer to a newly diagnosed diabetic is "try everything, and test test test".

 

[Beachbag]

Why is this on two threads? It's quite confusing!

Either way... this is a forum, and like all forums on the internet it's a place for people with a common interest to come together and exchange thoughts and ideas. As this is a public forum, it's a given that none of us are qualified to give actual medical advice - However, there are many people on here who have years of experience with diabetes and can offer their viewpoint on what has worked for them. It's up to the reader what they choose to do with that information.

You are right that people are undecided what to do, and will try anything. I was in that position in the summer when I was diagnosed, but the thing that makes this such a unique disease is that something that works for one will not work at all for another. So, trying anything to see what works is not such a bad idea. In fact, as a relative newbie, the biggest piece of advice I would offer to a newly diagnosed diabetic is "try everything, and test test test".

Indeed! I made a similar comment earlier about seeing this topic under a different heading elsewhere.
Now it's caused another poster to be very concerned that she's given wrong advice which in my opinion is not on!
Methinks the original poster needs to take her own advice and "Be very careful" what she posts. We all have our own views on what is right for us, there is loads of excellent information posted by those who are experienced LCHF and I find it invaluable, but I see no evidence of it being rammed down anyone's throat. I see this thread as an attack on those who subscribe to LCHF.


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[lizdeluz]

Anyway, it's a very interesting debate. I'm trying to apply LCHF after years of High Carb Low Fat seeming to be quite bad for my diabetes and my general health.
It's an interesting question why, at the time I was diagnosed in the early 80s, the usual advice from health pro's was for lots of slow-release carbs. It seems counter-intuitive now.
It's probably the case, though, that the jury is out on this, and that more research will eventually enlighten us. Until then, I agree with those who say that they are happy to weigh up what anyone says on this forum and to take from it what they wish to take, no more no less.

 

[fatbird]

Dietary fats and health: dietary recommendations in the context of scientific evidence.

Although early studies showed that saturated fat diets with very low levels of PUFAs increase serum cholesterol, whereas other studies showed high serum cholesterol increased the risk of coronary artery disease (CAD), the evidence of dietary saturated fats increasing CAD or causing premature death was weak.

Over the years, data revealed that dietary saturated fatty acids (SFAs) are not associated with CAD and other adverse health effects or at worst are weakly associated in some analyses when other contributing factors may be overlooked. Several recent analyses indicate that SFAs, particularly in dairy products and coconut oil, can improve health. The evidence of ω6 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) promoting inflammation and augmenting many diseases continues to grow, whereas ω3 PUFAs seem to counter these adverse effects.

The replacement of saturated fats in the diet with carbohydrates, especially sugars, has resulted in increased obesity and its associated health complications.

Well-established mechanisms have been proposed for the adverse health effects of some alternative or replacement nutrients, such as simple carbohydrates and PUFAs. The focus on dietary manipulation of serum cholesterol may be moot in view of numerous other factors that increase the risk of heart disease.

The adverse health effects that have been associated with saturated fats in the past are most likely due to factors other than SFAs, which are discussed here. This review calls for a rational reevaluation of existing dietary recommendations that focus on minimizing dietary SFAs, for which mechanisms for adverse health effects are lacking.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23674795

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[Daibell]

Hi As fatbird says, a lot of the 'avoid saturated fat' advice is based on very shaky data extraction. Google the web and you will find a lot of modern info on the subject. Carbs result in higher blood sugar in diabetics. Advice from the 'professionals' ref carbs is often based on very poor science. So, seek out information based on well-researched and reported science and sadly quite a bit of the advice proferred by the 'professionals' doesn't fit that description. BTW low-carb doesn't have to mean high-fat. Just note the low-carb aspect and use the meter to tell you how low to go for yourself.

 

[Andy12345]

thankyou OP im frightened to answer a newbies post, nice going, better i leave em to struggle, or maybe i should tell them to ask there doctor

 

[mo1905]

thankyou OP im frightened to answer a newbies post, nice going, better i leave em to struggle, or maybe i should tell them to ask there doctor

Hey, come on Andy ! This isn't like you mate ! You've always given top advice and been so passionate I'd hate to see that stop ! This is a forum and there will always be differences of opinion but embrace it, don't stop doing what you do best !
Mo


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[Andy12345]

thankyou OP im frightened to answer a newbies post, nice going, better i leave em to struggle, or maybe i should tell them to ask there doctor

Hey, come on Andy ! This isn't like you mate ! You've always given top advice and been so passionate I'd hate to see that stop ! This is a forum and there will always be differences of opinion but embrace it, don't stop doing what you do best !
Mo


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