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Portion Control Vs Feeling Full

Hi Carol.

One thing is the YuK that you have been prescribed I believe has only 450 kcal per 100 mil.

There are other supplements which are much higher in calories, but they are also higher in carbs, just what you don't want.

Difficult one, the only thing is that it is all a balance between Diabetes control and a suitable weight for you. The natural reaction is to say to look out for anything that is high in calories and low in carbs. There IS foodstuff out there that could fit the bill but you will have to do the looking.

You could always wear heavier shoes......... :wink:
 
Thanks Sue I do eat bacon and egg at lunch quite often and I love avocado so I may try more of that
Ken I do trawl the shelves to look for high calorie low carb stuff I try to eat good fresh food where possible if you see any thing that may help I would be grateful Unfortunately I have to take my shoes off to be weighed at the GPs . Maybe weighted tights would be better.
CAROL
 
One way you could attack it is to go through lists of HIGH calorie foods and see if they will match up to what your preferred Carb count is at the same time.

Here is a link to a site with lists of many food types and calories.

http://www.weightlossforall.com/number- ... n-food.htm

Roast Duck is particularly tasty.......Carbs Nil, Fat 38.1, Calories 423.......all per 100g. :wink:

Source: Calorie Carb & Fat Bible 2011.
 
Hi Carol

There are two sorts of people in this world, the naturally fat and the naturally thin . . . part of me would love to have your problem. but I bet I wouldn't enjoy it if I got there :lol: . I can't help, I'm afraid - on your diet I probably wouldn't gain weight either. How many carbs are you aiming for, daily? and what's your BMI? What weight would you like to be? and how much exercise to you do? they tell me muscle weighs more than fat, but how would I know? :wink:

Was it the Duchess of Windsor who said a woman can never be too thin or too rich? It's a hard life if you have the one without the other!

Incidentally, 3 small squares of Green & Black's 85% proof chocolate has less than 2 grams of carb (according to the label). Indulge yourself!

Going back to Sid and the palaeo diet - post-glacially, we ate seasonally. There were lots of fruit and veggies (and some grains!) about, but only during a very limited season. Cave bears, and modern black bears, were/are largely vegetarian and manage to put on enough weight over the summer to hibernate successfully, and to nurse new-born cubs in the den in late winter. So there's lots of calories out there, and also plenty of non-grain carbs - but only in season!

The human animal in the north seems to have migrated southwards, from the tundra to (eg) the Black Sea, to survive the winter, and seems to have learned early, in variable climates, how to store some foods by drying and smoking. We'd have been lean and hungry by the spring, and our prey animals would have been lean too. Then eggs and wildfowl would have come in, fish, young animals, and fresh new growth. By the time we got to autumn we'd have been stuffing ourselves on fat meat, veg, nuts and berries. In the winter it would be mainly meat, plus whatever we'd managed to store, and fish and shellfish if we lived in the right place, and we'd have to survive on our supplies and our body fat. I'm on a winner there! :lol:

I'm not advocating going back to that - how would I manage without my mid-winter tunnel-grown salads? - but it does make you think about eating fresh local produce, and avoiding processed food such as burgers, bread, biscuits and cakes.

Talking of roast duck - that's tomorrow. It's in the car at the moment 'cos it's nearly zero outside and there's no room in the fridge. I've got a very low sugar home-made coarse orange marmalade and I shall smear a little over the skin before roasting. But sadly - no potatoes roasted in all that lovely fat! :cry: Can anyone suggest any substitutes?

Portion control is next on my list - but not until I've eaten the duck!
 
Viv.
Thanks for the suggestions I am hoping to reach 7 and a half stones not sure what my bmi is but definately too low The choc is a good idea I might eat more than i usually do but unfortunately husband doesnt like duck and I couldnt eat a whole one :lol:
Have you tried roast cellairiac cooked in just the same way as spuds also I roast swede turnip Now husband enjoys them too.
CAROL
 
Thanks for the roast veg tips, Carol - I've never tried celeriac at all, so I must!

There's not actually that much on a duck, I find. It'll do me a good dinner hot tonight, then two lunch-time salads. Which brings me back to portion control - I eat all the right foods, but too much of them, which is why I really have to limit my carbs to lose weight. I'm now trying to shrink the portions - smaller plates, etc. You could attempt to up your food intake a bit by increasing your portion size. I'm sure you wouldn't find it easy, but it might be worth the attempt. Eat more cheese?

Best wishes with it - keep us posted about how you go on.

Viv
 
I find portion control REALLY difficult. That's been the whole point of this thread. I've found that buy getting enough fat into a meal, without necessarily increasing the amount of calories in that meal, I am able to stay fuller for longer.

Cheese is awesome - a small piece will stop me from getting hungry for hours. I've always got a selection of cheeses in the fridge.

Portion control gets more difficult (in my experience) when the amount of fat in that portion is reduced. That is why I believe that trying to control portion size AND reduce the fat content in a meal is counter productive.

Fat is your friend. :wink:
 
Patch
Do you think if I eat less fat with a meal I may be able to eat a larger portion.There is only a certain amount that 1 small womans stomach feels able to hold.
CAROL
 
I've never given that much thought. In the past I was concerned with eating LESS - I never wanted to eat MORE.

But it's just reversing the principle, right?

Eat if your hungry, stop when you're full. If you don't get full, keep eating. Food with fat makes me full...
 
Carol

You might be able to eat more by going from 3 meals a day to 5 smaller ones. That might not work with your blood glucose management, though, but it's worth thinking through.

Viv
 
Thanks Viv I think that may be an idea not always easy when out and about though .One problem that I have is not feeling hungry, particularly at my evening meal time . I sometimes feel positively sick maybe its the metformin but I used to have a good appetite and really enjoy my food .When I feel that I HAVE to eat it is not much fun .Never mind onward and upwards (weight wise) :lol:
CAROL
 
The horrible thing is that, according to the press, 93percent of diets fail.

Dieters almost all regain their weight within a year.

That's including all the slimming health clubs.

The only observation I'd make - from doing the weighing at Weightwatchers for a couple of years - is that those who lose it fast, tend to put it on again - fast.
It seems to be the re-training on your way down that counts.

But as diabetics we have a very strong reason to keep our weight under control - it's not just for vanity reasons.

So however you do it, whether it is carbs or protein, vegetables, diet drinks, Atkins, Smatkins... whatever you lose s-l-o-w-l-y will surely be better for your general health.

What I tend to do is ask myself: 'Would a thin person do this?' - raiding the fridge, an extra portion or two...and if the answer is 'No', then I try not to do it either.

Weightloss so far - over 3 stone in around nine months.

Now static in weight bar a pound up or down, but according to the dietician, a body eventually goes into 'starvation' mode on a continued diet.

So resting now but going to have another push at the end of February, when the weather is warmer.
Anyone fancy starting along with me?

Latest testing on the 3mth test - 5.1
 
The thing is...this is NOT a diet but a lifestyle change !

Only by checking out all the foods you would normally eat and finding the ones that balance your blood sugars well will you be able to eat like this for the rest of your life without yoyoing from one diet to another. It needs will power and dedication to testing but many on here have achieved it and are fitter and healthier and with good Bg control.
 
mrsmousemat said:
Now static in weight bar a pound up or down, but according to the dietician, a body eventually goes into 'starvation' mode on a continued diet.
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Your diatitian is very correct there. If you continuously withhold things your body is used to getting, it will automatically feel like it's being starved and then EVERY ounce of fat is stored and no matter how much you exercise, you will not lose any weight. It is that fat layer you will find hardest to get rid of afterwards. You're very wise to slow down your dieting once in a while to resolve this issue. I learned the hard way.... But I too have lost 3 stone in weight and also put on a pound here and lost it and put three on and lost those and so on.... I find losing weight is better when it's done the "hard way" with exercise, slowly and with your brain and common sense turned ON.....

As for portion control, I found that using a smaller plate makes it seem the same amount on the plate while I got used to eating smaller portions. Now I can't eat the larger portions anymore. Eat till you're full and then stop, even if there's only 2 or 3 mouthfulls left on the plate!
 
Eat till you're full and then stop
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You see that's always been one of my problems. I don't get full up until about 1/2 an hour after I stop eating. I'm trying to train myself at the moment. I'm eating smaller portions with the promise to myself that if I'm still hungry in an hour I can have something more. I'd love to have a really reactive reflex that said "STOP EATING NOW!" :D
 
Have you read the whole thread, jaykay? That's pretty much what the early posts were trying to address...
 
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