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Portion Control Vs Feeling Full

Patch,

It's a shame your not my next door neighbour, last night I made pork chops and cut the fat off and binned it, now if you were my neighbour I could just pass all my waste fat over the fence. :)

Nigel
 
You're not lying! Last night I had 2 slices of Belly of Pork w/Green Beans. Fat on (the Pork, not the beans...). Best crackling I ever had! :wink:

No adverse effect on my BG, and I didn't balloon over night from eating all that (frankly, DELICIOUS!) fat! :wink:
 
Patch said:
You're not lying! Last night I had 2 slices of Belly of Pork w/Green Beans. Fat on (the Porjk, not the beans...). Best crackling I ever had! :wink:

No adverse effect on my BG, and I didn't ballon overnightfrom eating all that fat! :wink:

Very good Patch, send me your address details and I'll mail the trimmed fat out to you next time! :wink:

Nigel
 
:lol:

Just had a vision of a grease stained envelope flopping onto the floor one morning. Although if the Post Man knows what's good for him he'll scarf it down before it got to my place...

Just to clarify - I wouldn't sit and eat fat on it's own (except Pork Scratchings!), I just don't trim it off food, nor am I afraid to add some to food.
 
Patch said:
:lol:

Just had a vision of a grease stained envelope flopping onto the floor one morning. Although if the Post Man knows what's good for him he'll scarf it down before it got to my place...

Just to clarify - I wouldn't sit and eat fat on it's own (except Pork Scratchings!), I just don't trim it off food, nor am I afraid to add some to food.


That's pretty much what I do except I don't ADD any fat.......I love a Steak and salad. My Butcher also does 'crakin' scratchings which I enjoy. Still eat LOW fat though. I measure the quantities and proportions compared to the rest of my diet. The weight just dropped off me and is still maintained.

Have you lost any weight on your regime or is it all about Bg levels ? I'm interested to know.
 
Patch said:
:lol:

Just had a vision of a grease stained envelope flopping onto the floor one morning. Although if the Post Man knows what's good for him he'll scarf it down before it got to my place...

Just to clarify - I wouldn't sit and eat fat on it's own (except Pork Scratchings!), I just don't trim it off food, nor am I afraid to add some to food.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Not if the postman was watching his weight! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nigel
 
I did lose 2st 8lbs a few years ago - put on 7lbs around a year ago, and have fluctuated by about that 7lbs ever since. It's on the way down at the moment (slowly, unfortunately) and I'm down by around 7lbs since Jan 1st.

I always thought you ate low fat? Our definitions must differ. It's not EITHER lo or hi fat - there are LOTS of places in the middle. (Ie - if a person thinks that that he/she is lo-fat becasue he/she is DEFINIETLY NOT hi fat, I'd say that their level of fat intake is up for discussion). :wink:

But lets not. :wink:
 
Patch said:
Or counting calories... :shock:

But maybe if he was counting carbs... :twisted:

Or maybe he isn't counting anything......... full stop!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nigel
 
noblehead said:
Or maybe he isn't counting anything......... full stop!!!

Nigel

or unless he's like the postie we had a few years ago who was counting cash and cheques from kiddies birthday cards!
 
lovinglife said:
or unless he's like the postie we had a few years ago who was counting cash and cheques from kiddies birthday cards!

Ouch!

Nige said:
Or maybe he isn't counting anything......... full stop!!!
Just letter boxes... :lol:
 
Here's my tuppence-worth: Patch and I must have very similar metabolisms, as the combination of fat and carbs piles weight on me, where as protein and fat + minimum carbs (c 25g per day) makes the weight just drop off!

When I first did Atkins, just out of curiousity I ate Atkins and counted carbs, but also worked out the calorie content of each meal. I averaged around 1700 calories per day - actually slightly less than I was eating on a standard diet including bread/potatoes/pasta. I dropped 50lbs in less than 6 months, and was never hungry. I don't gorge on fat - I just don't remove it . And I never, ever eat processed fat in any shape or form (unless you insist in considering cheese to be processed), and that includes margarine - even the so-called good ones.

Of the oils, I only use cold-pressed extra virgin olive oil, and not too much of that. We've only been using vegetable oils for about 5,000 years, as a species, so we're still adapting to it. We've only been farming grain for about 12,000 years - previously we would have eaten it only seasonally with minimal storage. It makes sense to me to limit the quantity I eat - even though I'm desperately weak-willed and really love bread!

Different foods suit different people, and I'm happy with my version of low-carb. And before anyone accuses me of being 'faddy' and following the Palaeo Diet - maybe I am; but I'm an archaeologist by profession, and know a bit about the subject.

If you're ever in my area, Patch, come round for supper and I'll cook you a nice piece of rare-breed roast pork with fabulous crackling! :wink:

V
 
Patch.
Fats.....how much. I do eat very low fat, that doesn't mean I don't consume ANY.

I love a Pork joint with crackling, a Rib Eye or Sirloin Steak, Eggs, Cheese, Butter but everything is tightly moderated....... :wink:

My fat intake is probably no more than around 10g - 15g of my daily food intake. Way less than some others. For me very low fat and it works.
 
Okay - I wouldn't call any of that particularly low fat. If you spoke to a Dr. about a low fat diet, I'm sure they'd tell you that trimming the fat off a Rib-eye (the finest cut of meat known to man!!!), and removing the crackling from Pork would make it low(er) fat.

I'd say that your fat intake, combined with your carb restirction, IS keeping you fuller for longer. But saying that you maintain a feeling of fullness while following a low fat diet is quite misleading - especially to the newbs around here who's idea of low fat is different to yours or mine. If you were to advise a newb to follow a low carb, low fat diet, I'd bet that they'd immediately remove Rib-eyes, Butter (a match made in HEAVEN, buy the way!) and Pork Crackling from the menu.

At least we're singing off the same hymn sheet now - we're not disagreeing, it's just a terminology thing!

Peace, Love and Pork Belly. :D
 
Patch
I am not eating mega fat as you infer........I do NOT eat all these things every day, I do not eat more than 10g fat with any meals. My rule. THAT is low fat...... Quantity is all........

The guideline Daily Allowance for Fat consumption is no more than 70g to 95g depending on if you are male or female .......therefore as you can clearly see if I am only having about 10g at my main meal......that surely HAS to be LOW fat.

FYI a well done Grilled Sirloin Steak has around 9g fat per 100g. My portion of Steak would be around 70g therefore I am only consuming 6.3g fat in one meal. The rest is usually something like a salad and mushrooms. The rest of the day it is mega low fat. I don't just buy a huge portion of Steak and eat it all the same day or every day.......it is divided into smaller portions which is why you will always see me advocating portion control. Some steaks are higher in fat than others.

Pork Crackling is where I 'fall off the wagon' once in a while.......I love it, but it is only a treat, not an everyday item. Same with butter, cream........all used sparingly. So....very low fat.
I can eat carbs without any problems .......again, because they are measured and rationed to stay within my limits. That always keeps me well within target Bg levels too.....no more than 7 mmol/l after meals although sometimes it does go up a little depends what I ate. Not a problem as it is only a 'blip !'

It isn't just what you eat........it is also the AMOUNT you eat. My main plate is a side dish, not a dinner plate. I eat like a mouse as someone once said here.....because I am NEVER hungry. That's how my regime affects me. It works

Of course if you trim fat off things it makes it lower......you seem to have this idea I am 'gorging' myself on Steaks every day, nothing could be further from the truth. My overall diet is very low fat whatever you may think. As said before I count carbs, protein and fats in all my foods. They are logged on my meter so I know exactly what I consume each day/week/month etc.

My Endocrinologist has looked at my regime and thinks it's great, low fat, low salt, low GI, low GL coupled with 'reduced carbs' or as someone recently told me 'low carbs.'

As for advising anybody anything they are free to read what I post and make their own mind up about how low is low. Nobody tells them they have to eat it. The Basic advice that Sue and I put together and hand out seems to give most Newbies here a flying start, even some of the older and more experienced members seem to think it is good advice. That is basically the only advice I/we give out here.........seems to work judging by all the successes around here.

They have choices and those choices can be how many carbs to eat, how much protein to eat, how many grams of fat to eat.

You have a strange idea of the quantity of food that I eat at one sitting. 2 main meals, one tiny lunch and NO snacking. That's MY regime.

It works well even though it is contrary to your oft repeated "Fat is good." :wink:

For me and others...it 'aint ! :)
 
viviennem said:
And before anyone accuses me of being 'faddy' and following the Palaeo Diet - maybe I am; but I'm an archaeologist by profession, and know a bit about the subject.

V

Did we, humans, only evolve to a meat based diet due to the ice ages? I understand that before roots and vegetation were lost to us we were in fact basing our diet around carbs. Hunter gatherers, the (lazy) men did the hunting when they had grown tired of telling tales of daring do, making tools and weapons and there was nothing good on the TV and the women toiled all day foraging for roots and grains to be processed into bread like doe/biscuits

So until global warming brings the next ice age I will continue to eat a balanced diet containing all the food groups and also to avoid excess fat as I just don't like it :D
 
Ken said:
It works well even though it is contrary to your oft repeated "Fat is good."

For me and others...it 'aint !

Let's agree to disagree, then. Because, for me and others...it is !
 
Right :!:
I have been reading this thread with interest .There are many of you who have got this portion control thing worked out really well so please bear with me and see if you can get your heads round my problem in other words look at things from the other way round. Sorry if that doesnt seem to make sense but hang in there.
I am a 67yr old weighing under 7 stones 5 ft tall my Hba1c was 7.2 I was 26.9 at dx almost 2 years ago .Now as I see things to lose weight you need to eat less and exercise more BUT to gain weight I can not eat more and exercise less I eat lots of fat and protein but reduced carbs for eg breakfast 2 slices Burgen toast with as much cheese on as it could possibly hold with marmite on top followed by double Jersey cream with walnuts and cinnamon .Lunch home made butternut squash soup with two oatmeal biscuits (3.5 Gms each) with loads of butter on , a hand full of almonds as a snack and I will have steak casserole with red wine gravy celairiac mash brocolli and cauli for my main meal with a glass of red wine I may have 1 dark choc piece with cream and a kiwi fruit .This would be a typical day .I am taking a supplement prescribed by GP called Calogen which is liquid lard :evil: yuck.but i am not putting weight on so has any one any ideas :?: I have had loads of blood tests and I am ok apart from the DB I really would be grateful for any suggestions no matter how off beat they may be Please help before I go down the plug hole. :lol:
CAROL
 
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