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So about 18 months ago, blood tests showed I was pre-diabetic, with high cholesterol. I already have a long standing under active thyroid problem and high-blood pressure, both of which I have medication for.
So I did some research, changing my diet & portion size, with a bit of walking for exercise helped and I managed to lower the cholesterol and reverse the pre-diabetes.
I have recently been for my six monthly blood pressure test, which was very high (medication increased) and had some blood taken. Both the pre-diabetes and high cholesterol are back! I'm not sure what to do now and feel a bit lost really. I thought I was doing ok. When I changed things before I tried a low GI diet, eating more healthy, salads/seeds/wholefoods and cut down on bread/potatoes, etc.. I'm not sure what to try now.
I have bought the 8 week blood sugar diet books which seems low carb and am thinking of giving this ago. Has anyone had any success with the low card method? I must admit the thought of no bread, potatoes, pasta and rice does not appeal. What do people eat instead of these foods?
Sorry for the long post and thanks for any help. :)
 

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So about 18 months ago, blood tests showed I was pre-diabetic, with high cholesterol. I already have a long standing under active thyroid problem and high-blood pressure, both of which I have medication for.
So I did some research, changing my diet & portion size, with a bit of walking for exercise helped and I managed to lower the cholesterol and reverse the pre-diabetes.
I have recently been for my six monthly blood pressure test, which was very high (medication increased) and had some blood taken. Both the pre-diabetes and high cholesterol are back! I'm not sure what to do now and feel a bit lost really. I thought I was doing ok. When I changed things before I tried a low GI diet, eating more healthy, salads/seeds/wholefoods and cut down on bread/potatoes, etc.. I'm not sure what to try now.
I have bought the 8 week blood sugar diet books which seems low carb and am thinking of giving this ago. Has anyone had any success with the low card method? I must admit the thought of no bread, potatoes, pasta and rice does not appeal. What do people eat instead of these foods?
Sorry for the long post and thanks for any help. :)
Carbs raise cholesterol. And for some the type of fat. I do better with more plant fats like avocado nuts olive oil. Not chicken skins, bacon and lots of butter or dairy

As far as what do we eat instead? I don't. I just don't eat them. I eat veggies instead I guess. I use lettuce wraps or salads and top with some protein and fat instead of bread.

Cauiflour rice instead of potato is excellent. Better than potato.
Some spiralize zucchini. Some make lasagna with eggplant instead of noodles.
Nothing wrong with stir fries without rice. Or use cauli rice. The flavor is in the sauce.

Many will be along with other ideas.
 
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Hi and welcome,

That must have been a big blow, but you've done it once, you can do it again.

If you read round this forum you will see just how many folk have success with low carb! Hundreds.

Many of us non-medicated T2s find the low GI diets don't work. If the low GI food has carbs, they will still convert to glucose once in the system. They may take a bit longer, but will still convert. The spikes may be lower, but they will last longer. As carbs are the things that raise blood sugar levels it makes sense not to eat them regularly or in quantity.

It sounds like you don't have a blood glucose meter, and if that is the case I urge you to buy one. Testing before you eat and again 2 hours after first bite will show you what that food has done to your levels and allow you to reduce the carbs in that meal or eliminate some. If you also keep a food diary including portion sizes and record your BS levels alongside the food, you will see patterns emerging that will help you discover which are your danger foods. You can't do this without a meter. You are working blind.

Reducing carbs substantially will also increase your good cholesterol and will help lower all the bad stuff.
 

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Carbs raise cholesterol. And for some the type of fat. I do better with more plant fats like avocado nuts olive oil. Not chicken skins, bacon and lots of butter or dairy

As far as what do we eat instead? I don't. I just don't eat them. I eat veggies instead I guess. I use lettuce wraps or salads and top with some protein and fat instead of bread.

Cauiflour rice instead of potato is excellent. Better than potato.
Some spiralize zucchini. Some make lasagna with eggplant instead of noodles.
Nothing wrong with stir fries without rice. Or use cauli rice. The flavor is in the sauce.

Many will be along with other ideas.

Thank you for your reply. I will try the cauliflower rice and the lasagna idea. I have seen some recipes for lettuce wraps, so will give them ago as well. Suppose it's just a matter of rethinking things.
 

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Hi and welcome,

That must have been a big blow, but you've done it once, you can do it again.

If you read round this forum you will see just how many folk have success with low carb! Hundreds.

Many of us non-medicated T2s find the low GI diets don't work. If the low GI food has carbs, they will still convert to glucose once in the system. They may take a bit longer, but will still convert. The spikes may be lower, but they will last longer. As carbs are the things that raise blood sugar levels it makes sense not to eat them regularly or in quantity.

It sounds like you don't have a blood glucose meter, and if that is the case I urge you to buy one. Testing before you eat and again 2 hours after first bite will show you what that food has done to your levels and allow you to reduce the carbs in that meal or eliminate some. If you also keep a food diary including portion sizes and record your BS levels alongside the food, you will see patterns emerging that will help you discover which are your danger foods. You can't do this without a meter. You are working blind.

Reducing carbs substantially will also increase your good cholesterol and will help lower all the bad stuff.

Hello, no I haven't got a meter but I will look into that. I do have a food diary app already, so I'll see if it has a space for BS.
The low GI does include carbs, I thought as they were more "healthy" they would be better. Also I have probably included more in my diet recently than I should have.
Lots of difference advice out there which does confuse matters.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
 
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When looking for a meter you need to check the cost of replacement test strips. We only need one meter but need thousands of strips. The 2 with the cheapest strips are the Codefree and the Tee2, neither are available in pharmacies.
Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/
There are discount codes if you buy in bulk.
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

The Tee2 is here. The meter is free but the strips are a little more expensive.
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/

This is a good site for low carb information, and plenty of recipes
https://www.dietdoctor.com/
 
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Thank you for your reply. I will try the cauliflower rice and the lasagna idea. I have seen some recipes for lettuce wraps, so will give them ago as well. Suppose it's just a matter of rethinking things.
No recipe needed. Just take sandwich filling and put it on a pice of lettuce. This morning I smashed some avocado in it and topped it with a piece of deli chicken. It being the morning I added no other carbs as I don't process them at all in the morning but some onion and tomato would have been nice.
I even like crumbling a rare burger on it with mayo/ mustard sauce and sauted mushrooms.

Cut up chunks of chicken, turkey, beef, egg. Mix with mayo and a few raw veg like radish celery green onion and top it. Or eat with celery sticks. Or even just a fork.
It is just a matter of rethinking but doesn't need to be complicated with recipes.
 

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Thank you for your reply. I will try the cauliflower rice and the lasagna idea. I have seen some recipes for lettuce wraps, so will give them ago as well. Suppose it's just a matter of rethinking things.
The other day I had sausage and a little onion with grated cheese, tiny amount of low sugar ketchup wrapped in lettuce for lunch. It was delicious and surprisingly very filling.
 

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The other day I had sausage and a little onion with grated cheese, tiny amount of low sugar ketchup wrapped in lettuce for lunch. It was delicious and surprisingly very filling.
I love that cold crunchy mixed with warm and gooey!

The only sandwich filling I haven't tried is peanut butter but I have plenty of spoons!!

Cold lamb chops and mayo with green onion on the wrap today. Can't wait for lunch!!
 
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Hi @mittens76 .. and welcome
You have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need. It can all seem uphill to start with but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly.

There is a lot of conflicting and sometimes confusing information around .. but the key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes (or pre-diabetes) through exercise, diet and testing your blood glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I have tagged @daisy1 for you and I suggest that you read up on the valuable material that she will soon be sending you. I think that you might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need about carb levels and about what and what not to eat ...
Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

I see that @Bluetit1802 has given you the links for the SD Codefree and TEE2 meters and I would agree that that it is a priority that you get yourself one. For your information, I have both of these meters which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
 
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Thank you all for all the info, links and warm welcome, feeling calmer about things now. I'm going to do some research and order myself a machine and strips. As well as a meal plan for the coming week but now I have a place to start from.
 
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So about 18 months ago, blood tests showed I was pre-diabetic, with high cholesterol. I already have a long standing under active thyroid problem and high-blood pressure, both of which I have medication for.
So I did some research, changing my diet & portion size, with a bit of walking for exercise helped and I managed to lower the cholesterol and reverse the pre-diabetes.
I have recently been for my six monthly blood pressure test, which was very high (medication increased) and had some blood taken. Both the pre-diabetes and high cholesterol are back! I'm not sure what to do now and feel a bit lost really. I thought I was doing ok. When I changed things before I tried a low GI diet, eating more healthy, salads/seeds/wholefoods and cut down on bread/potatoes, etc.. I'm not sure what to try now.
I have bought the 8 week blood sugar diet books which seems low carb and am thinking of giving this ago. Has anyone had any success with the low card method? I must admit the thought of no bread, potatoes, pasta and rice does not appeal. What do people eat instead of these foods?
Sorry for the long post and thanks for any help. :)
Have been doing low carbs for 2 years nearly, you soon get used to no bread, root vegetables, rice and pasta. I also had high cholesterol and surprisingly , with all the cheese fats, full fat milk, cream and yogurt, my cholesterol has come down enough for my doctor to suggest stop taking statins.
Breakfast is a low carb granola, lunch low carb soup, dinner (early evening) mainly white meat or fish, with plenty of green vegetables. Alternative to soup is a green salad, if you need a snack try 50 grms of Parma ham or similar and up to 40 grms of cheese!! Have up to 100 grms of berries with ful fat Greek yoghurt.. Drink plenty of water, allow 2 or 3 cups of Decaffienated tea or coffee. Alcohol, glass of red wine, or white spirit with a low calorie mixer( my favourite G & T).
Portion contro is important.
My pre- diabetes is no longer, BS below 6 regularly now, good luck
 

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Hi and welcome,

That must have been a big blow, but you've done it once, you can do it again.

If you read round this forum you will see just how many folk have success with low carb! Hundreds.

Many of us non-medicated T2s find the low GI diets don't work. If the low GI food has carbs, they will still convert to glucose once in the system. They may take a bit longer, but will still convert. The spikes may be lower, but they will last longer. As carbs are the things that raise blood sugar levels it makes sense not to eat them regularly or in quantity.

It sounds like you don't have a blood glucose meter, and if that is the case I urge you to buy one. Testing before you eat and again 2 hours after first bite will show you what that food has done to your levels and allow you to reduce the carbs in that meal or eliminate some. If you also keep a food diary including portion sizes and record your BS levels alongside the food, you will see patterns emerging that will help you discover which are your danger foods. You can't do this without a meter. You are working blind.

Reducing carbs substantially will also increase your good cholesterol and will help lower all the bad stuff.

Mittens, like you I am still groping around in all this, but I absolutely agree with Bluetit that a glucose testing meter is a must. I record all my readings and find the feedback really motivating, as well as informative. When I see a lower number, my day is made and I feel I am on my way to success. When it's higher, it acts as an electric shock and I am off on the trail of what went wrong and how to do better. I was already using a Fitbit to help motivate my exercise and my glucose monitor is like a 2nd Fitbit to me. It's daft how simple minded we adults really are, just like children in Infants' school collecting gold stars, but we may as well put our daftness to good use.
 

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Hello, no I haven't got a meter but I will look into that. I do have a food diary app already, so I'll see if it has a space for BS.
The low GI does include carbs, I thought as they were more "healthy" they would be better. Also I have probably included more in my diet recently than I should have.
Lots of difference advice out there which does confuse matters.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I'm afraid that the attitude to eating carbs is causing so much grief for some people - I was a full blown diabetic eating a diet supposed to lower cholesterol, growing fatter every month on the advice of my doctor. Now that I am eating low carb I have normal levels of blood glucose and Hba1c too, as of my 6 month tests.
 

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Hi @mittens76, welcome to the forum and the annoying world of prediabetes. You have had some great advice and getting a meter will be a real investment giving you daily feedback as you progress.

It's also important to know and understand you lab test results. I have online access with my surgery but you can ask for print outs if you don't have a record.
 
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Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Have a look at the link to the Low Carb Program which could be very helpful to you. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
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I love that cold crunchy mixed with warm and gooey!

The only sandwich filling I haven't tried is peanut butter but I have plenty of spoons!!

Cold lamb chops and mayo with green onion on the wrap today. Can't wait for lunch!!
Me also Kristin. The cheese being
I love that cold crunchy mixed with warm and gooey!

The only sandwich filling I haven't tried is peanut butter but I have plenty of spoons!!

Cold lamb chops and mayo with green onion on the wrap today. Can't wait for lunch!!
Oh me also Kristin. Being that the cheese was grated it melted because the sausage was straight from the pan. I am going to try the lamb chops with the mayo and onion in lettuce. I know that I will like that
 

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Me also Kristin. The cheese being

Oh me also Kristin. Being that the cheese was grated it melted because the sausage was straight from the pan. I am going to try the lamb chops with the mayo and onion in lettuce. I know that I will like that
Haha. I love anything with mayo and onion. Crumbled burger, steak, chicken, turkey, egg, shrimp, salmon tuna. Fast no brainer lunch and a nice variety of protein. Of course I need my chopped avo on it too!!

I favor cold meats most often so batch cooking and freezing them works. Many to choose from. Short shopping list too!