Type 2 Protein diet-High or Low ?

[ianf0ster]

It's a little unnerving that your doctor seems to of taken you off the stain after possibly finding out about it from the BBC news. That would worry me, a doctor getting their education on a drug from the news, while ignoring everything you told them previously that made your life miserable.

Perhaps I am too cynical. Where would you expect a busy GP to get updates on medicines? - The pharmaceutical companies certainly aren't going to tell them!

 

[Saur]

That 11.7 after breakfast is concerning.
It would seem to indicate that you are eating too many carbs, more than you can cope with.
I aim for no higher than 8, ever.
I stick to low carb veges and salad stuff, I do have Livlife bread or Protein bread which are 4 gm of carb per slice, but I keep them in the freezer otherwise they'd go mouldy before being used.
The problem I see with a high protein diet is that it can be broken down into glucose, exactly the stuff you do not want. Type ones have to take it into account when calculating their need for insulin. We cannot store protein so it has to be used for repairs, broken down or excreted through the kidneys - if I remember correctly.
That seems at odds with kidney problems.
The weakness is troubling too - are you eating lean meat? There is an illness which is caused by a low fat diet.

Hi Resurgam, please advise the name of the protein bread with 4 carbs.

 

[Happy dude]

Here's a good way to approach diet if you are looking to follow a low carb diet. You should see a reduction in glucose numbers. Many people here have improved their health greatly by going low carb. Getting away from starch sugar like grains and potatoes and lots of fruit etc and replacing those with good fat.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blog-entry/the-nutritional-thingy.2330/

There is also www.dietdoctor.com for low carb meals and suggestions. This site also has a lot of really helpful info for Type 2's in general. You'll get more knowledge from diet doctor then your gp on diet and information in general imo, these Md's, doctors and specialists who are part of the site really know their stuff.

Glad you're off the statin, just remember, you can't be forced to take something. It's a little unnerving that your doctor seems to of taken you off the stain after possibly finding out about it from the BBC news. That would worry me, a doctor getting their education on a drug from the news, while ignoring everything you told them previously that made your life miserable.

Good luck with what you decide to do.

Thank you. This is very useful info. My statin problem was around 2006 and I think the BBC made it aware to the medical society who then had to act on it ! I have a list of 4 medical errors made to me - This is just one of them and highly likely
why I suffer from what has become known as 'White coat syndrome' or the fear of Doctors ! My BP rises immediately before
seeing any Doctor or Nurse.
Thank you.

 

[Happy dude]

Perhaps I am too cynical. Where would you expect a busy GP to get updates on medicines? - The pharmaceutical companies certainly aren't going to tell them!

Actually with just a click on the mouse there are available sites that tell you or your Doctor what medications interact with other medications or with other Herbal remedies. ' RxList - Drug interaction checker' is one, but just type in 'medication compatability' and you will get immediate Info on your medications. It would only take your Doctor a few seconds to do this. My Doctor was going to put me on Lisinopril and told me, when I asked, there are no serious side effects. I got the tablets and when I got home
went to the RxList and put in my medications. One of which is Aspirin and the result was:

A serious interaction between Lisinopril and Aspirin ! A potential for reduced effectiveness in lowering Blood pressure. COMBINATION MAY REDUCE KIDNEY FUNCTION particularly in elderly or volume depleted individuals.
USE ALTERNATIVE.

What this could have done may have caused me serious kidney damage and or Heart problems (for which I have to take Aspirin).
However, It is only fair to say that had I taken this medication the Doctor would have requested to check my Kidney function probably in a few weeks. BUT I should have been given the full knowledge of what the Lisinopril was for, how it works and why it was thought to be necessary to take it - And WHAT the full side effects could be. The choice should then be mine whether or not I wanted to take the drug !

 

[Daibell]

Hi again. You have a lot of good posts. Your GP/Nurse advice to have a high protein diet is highly suspect. The advice many of us would give including me is reduce the carbs and have enough fats and proteins to keep you feeling full. Note that eating fat doesn't make you fat. Ignore the low-fat mantra in the press and NHS as it's simply not based on good research. My wife has stage 4 CKD but her Nephrologist says not to worry about keeping the proteins down - just eat normally. Obviously if blood tests show protein leakage from the kidneys then that has to be taken into account

 

[Member496333]

Just to add one thing, fat can make you fat if consumed alongside carbohydrate and/or in excess. Fat does not require insulin in order to be stored in adipose tissue. If you're not consuming much carbohydrate then this is very unlikely to make you gain weight unless you go mad, but if you're piling in the glucose in excess alongside the fat, then you are not only making new fat from the glucose via de novo lipogenesis, but the dietary fat will also be directly stored. This is why carbs and fat together (think doughnuts and pizza etc.) are the perfect storm of metabolic dysfunction and obesity.

It should also be said that if you have a lot of weight to lose, then dietary fat isn't so important, since once fat adapted, the body can oxidise its own stores. but only in the absence of elevated insulin. Hope I'm making sense. I don't wish to confuse matters but it's not as simple as fat doesn't make you fat. The main thing to remember is that if you're not consuming much carbohydrate then the appetite should make sure that you don't over-consume fat or protein. No slide rules and calorie counting should be necessary.

 

[Happy dude]

Hi again. You have a lot of good posts. Your GP/Nurse advice to have a high protein diet is highly suspect. The advice many of us would give including me is reduce the carbs and have enough fats and proteins to keep you feeling full. Note that eating fat doesn't make you fat. Ignore the low-fat mantra in the press and NHS as it's simply not based on good research. My wife has stage 4 CKD but her Nephrologist says not to worry about keeping the proteins down - just eat normally. Obviously if blood tests show protein leakage from the kidneys then that has to be taken into account

Thank you for your advice. I have an appointment to see a Nephrologist in November so at the moment I am told I am at
stage 3a CKD. If I am also told to eat normally I will be very pleased.

 

[Happy dude]

Hi again. You have a lot of good posts. Your GP/Nurse advice to have a high protein diet is highly suspect. The advice many of us would give including me is reduce the carbs and have enough fats and proteins to keep you feeling full. Note that eating fat doesn't make you fat. Ignore the low-fat mantra in the press and NHS as it's simply not based on good research. My wife has stage 4 CKD but her Nephrologist says not to worry about keeping the proteins down - just eat normally. Obviously if blood tests show protein leakage from the kidneys then that has to be taken into account

Just to add one thing, fat can make you fat if consumed alongside carbohydrate and/or in excess. Fat does not require insulin in order to be stored in adipose tissue. If you're not consuming much carbohydrate then this is very unlikely to make you gain weight unless you go mad, but if you're piling in the glucose in excess alongside the fat, then you are not only making new fat from the glucose via de novo lipogenesis, but the dietary fat will also be directly stored. This is why carbs and fat together (think doughnuts and pizza etc.) are the perfect storm of metabolic dysfunction and obesity.

It should also be said that if you have a lot of weight to lose, then dietary fat isn't so important, since once fat adapted, the body can oxidise its own stores. but only in the absence of elevated insulin. Hope I'm making sense. I don't wish to confuse matters but it's not as simple as fat doesn't make you fat. The main thing to remember is that if you're not consuming much carbohydrate then the appetite should make sure you don't over-consume fat or protein. No slide rules and calorie counting should be necessary.

Good to know, Thank you

 

[Resurgam]

Hi Resurgam, please advise the name of the protein bread with 4 carbs.

Ah - it is Protein Bread - I get it in Asda - looks like a brown brick.