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Quandry re: the HF in LCHF & Cholesterol

miahara said:
My result of 4.2 on my last report from "My Diabetes my Way" where all my results are recorded came with the comment "Your cholesterol is slightly above targert and higher than your last measurement....."
My HDL was 1.83. LDL no result. Triglycerides 0.9.
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@miahara You can get your LDL figure if you enter your other figures, and your ratios on here:
http://www.hughcalc.org/chol-si.php
 
I have used a low carb diet to control my T2 diabetes now for almost 8 years and I have never increased the amount of fat I have eaten, so no, it will have no impact on your BG even if you stick to the LC side of the equation, as long as you dont increase the carbs. Although once you gain good control you may well be able to increase the carbs in your diet as I have.

I find that when I do eat more fat I just put on weight as you have. The very fact that you reduce the carbs in your diet means that you will eat a higher percentage of fat even without eating more of it.

LCHF doesnt have to mean stuffing yourself with extra cheese and cream it just means cutting back on carbs, in fact it works better if you dont as you may well lose your insulin resistance as I have :)
 
Many of us embrace the high fat part of LCHF because of the benefits, in terms of, for instance, increasing amounts of fat soluble vitamins, ADEK, ever wondered why many people are vitamin D deficient! Eat up your healthy fat, it's nutritious and satisfying. That is, of course, unless you believe the fat / health hypothesis, which I don't!
 
I do not think we can really give advice about cholesterol that is medical thing that we are not experts or medically trained to be able to tell people if their levels are good or bad. What is good for us personally may not be good for them so it should be discussed with their doctor
 
Pinkorchid said:
I do not think we can really give advice about cholesterol that is medical thing that we are not experts or medically trained to be able to tell people if their levels are good or bad. What is good for us personally may not be good for them so it should be discussed with their doctor
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I don't necessarily agree, it is only through the power of social media, 'the wisdom of crowds' that many people have come to understand how the diet / health hypothesis came about, how it was actually about the American economy rather than health, how Pharmaceutical industries are happy to keep us all sick, a patient cured is a customer lost. We are not all lucky enough to have forward thinking, up to date, research reading doctors like Dr Unwin or dieticians like Trudi Deakin. Despite the fact that they are winning awards for their innovative and successful interventions, it is not being rolled out across the NHS.

Many doctors do not question what they have been taught years ago at Medical School and most of their ongoing professional development is entirely sponsored by drug companies. My own doctor says he has to 'follow the guidelines' - but almost as an aside, "Keep doing what you are doing".

We are each, as individuals, responsible for decisions we make about our health and we are able to actually read the research and make informed decisions. I am glad that, some years ago, somebody pointed me in the direction of interesting and challenging reading as a result of which I have changed my diet and lifestyle and regained my health. Nobody is pretending to be a doctor, I certainly am not, but I do think it is the right thing to say, "Read, research, make your decision, it is your health".
 
AtkinsMo said:
I don't necessarily agree, it is only through the power of social media, 'the wisdom of crowds' that many people have come to understand how the diet / health hypothesis came about, how it was actually about the American economy rather than health, how Pharmaceutical industries are happy to keep us all sick, a patient cured is a customer lost. We are not all lucky enough to have forward thinking, up to date, research reading doctors like Dr Unwin or dieticians like Trudi Deakin. Despite the fact that they are winning awards for their innovative and successful interventions, it is not being rolled out across the NHS.

Many doctors do not question what they have been taught years ago at Medical School and most of their ongoing professional development is entirely sponsored by drug companies. My own doctor says he has to 'follow the guidelines' - but almost as an aside, "Keep doing what you are doing".

We are each, as individuals, responsible for decisions we make about our health and we are able to actually read the research and make informed decisions. I am glad that, some years ago, somebody pointed me in the direction of interesting and challenging reading as a result of which I have changed my diet and lifestyle and regained my health. Nobody is pretending to be a doctor, I certainly am not, but I do think it is the right thing to say, "Read, research, make your decision, it is your health".
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Yes I agree we do have to make our own decisions as to what we do and not just because other people do it but that will not change doctors views on what is right while it is still only the few people who are going against the NHS guidelines nothing has been officially recognised as being the right way it has not been proven yet so we have to do what we think is right for us.
 
I believe that consistently high levels of insulin in the blood elevates the levels of LDL type of cholesterol.
According to Dr Atkins in New diet revolution, many of his patients came to him for problems other than their weight, and that he saw not only the lowering of cholesterol and triglycerides but reversal of the symptoms of heart disease and other common problems which plague modern society such as high blood pressure and painful joints.
 
Pinkorchid said:
I do not think we can really give advice about cholesterol that is medical thing that we are not experts or medically trained to be able to tell people if their levels are good or bad. What is good for us personally may not be good for them so it should be discussed with their doctor
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Unfortunately, with respect to cholesterol, all doctors are trained to do is write statin prescriptions based on guidelines. Current statin guidelines say statins should be prescribed for all diabetics regardless of their cholesterol levels.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
Unfortunately, with respect to cholesterol, all doctors are trained to do is write statin prescriptions based on guidelines. Current statin guidelines say statins should be prescribed for all diabetics regardless of their cholesterol levels.
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Yes. A type one guy at our support group has been prescribed statins even though he has never had high cholesterol.
 
This old piece by the amazing Zoe Harcombe (who really should be employed by NICE to critically evaluate the science on which they base their recommendations) has just popped up on her blog, she has been asked for permission to include it in a new medical academic textbook. It's a really good summary of how we got to where we are and how the medical establishment and NICE guidelines are just simply wrong, and how vital cholesterol actually is for good health.

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2010/11/...is-a-relationship-but-its-not-what-you-think/
 
AtkinsMo said:
This old piece by the amazing Zoe Harcombe (who really should be employed by NICE to critically evaluate the science on which they base their recommendations) has just popped up on her blog, she has been asked for permission to include it in a new medical academic textbook. It's a really good summary of how we got to where we are and how the medical establishment and NICE guidelines are just simply wrong, and how vital cholesterol actually is for good health.

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2010/11/...is-a-relationship-but-its-not-what-you-think/
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What a superb article!! Brilliant analysis and very clearly written and easy to digest. Thanks for posting the link.
 
AtkinsMo said:
This old piece by the amazing Zoe Harcombe (who really should be employed by NICE to critically evaluate the science on which they base their recommendations) has just popped up on her blog, she has been asked for permission to include it in a new medical academic textbook. It's a really good summary of how we got to where we are and how the medical establishment and NICE guidelines are just simply wrong, and how vital cholesterol actually is for good health.

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2010/11/...is-a-relationship-but-its-not-what-you-think/
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I should also add to my last reply that I spotted her review "Dieticians, diabetes & carbohydrate" It's an excellent review of the attitudes and knowledge of dieticans in the UK and slightly disturbing too.
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2016/11/dietitians-diabetes-carbohydrates/
 
Pinkorchid said:
I do not think we can really give advice about cholesterol that is medical thing that we are not experts or medically trained to be able to tell people if their levels are good or bad. What is good for us personally may not be good for them so it should be discussed with their doctor
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Just choose your expert you believe. They tell me witch doctors are 30% effective! :)
 
What is not so funny is that if I had followed the advice of the cancer consultant at the local hospital 13 years ago I would be dead now. Instead I was treated by the very best cancer specialists at Newcastle and I am still in remission. Wisely choose whom you believe in! D.
 
I think that cancer cells cannot use ketones for energy - they don't even need oxygen, if I remember correctly - they rely on glucose.
If you are unlucky enough to have cancerous cells then depriving them of high levels of glucose is going to slow their growth and also reduce their ability to reproduce. It might even reduce their ability to avoid white cells, as they tend to pick on cells not performing well and get rid of them.
 
It depends what kind of cancer one has. I merely quoted the above to show how medics are not Gods and with serious problems there may be better expert doctors.
My carcinoma fed on testosterone not glucose anyway.
 
I agree that it all depends on which type of cancer you have, and also which type of tumour. In breast cancer there are several different types of tumour, and they can feed on different things. Mine fed on a type of human growth protein encoded by a particular gene.
 
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