I have lost 22kg since diagnosis. I lost about 3 kg before I was diagnosed by just ditching the 'big white carbs', but that took a year. Yes I put weight on really easily. I would like to be 32kg lighter (at least).@zand - how much weight have you lost so far during your 6 years of LCHF ? do you find you are putting weight back on easily as well ?
I have lost 22kg since diagnosis. I lost about 3 kg before I was diagnosed by just ditching the 'big white carbs', but that took a year. Yes I put weight on really easily. I would like to be 32kg lighter (at least).
I have done so many diets in the last 40 years that tbh I can't remember how much I lost on each. LCHF has been the most (only)successful and the one which has stopped me yo-yo dieting. I lost 6 pounds in 5 days on a fat fast but put that back on after I was ill a few months later. Similarly I lost 5 pounds when I got moderate hypothermia (!)and put that back on the first time I was ill afterwards. Yes I aim for 1200-1300 calories per day. I think I need to go lower carb to lose more but really can't face that long term.
about time this information was shared on a diabetes forum, I was beginning to despair, so much nonsense about low carbingHi Everyone
It is possible to reverse type 2 diabetes by changing ones diet to a Whole Food plant based diet with no added fat or sugar.
Here are some links to give you information.
Dr Michael Gregor was in London this April and gave a talk to the college of Naturopathic medicine. He discusses diabetes around 40 minutes, but the whole talk is very interesting
A lady who reverses her diabetes https://dub128.mail.live.com/?tid=cmMhLsDOAo5hGvhAAjfeRhHA2&fid=flinbox
Good websites with lots of information
http://nutritionstudies.org/
http://www.forksoverknives.com/
https://www.drmcdougall.com/
http://nutritionfacts.org/
This way of eating will also lower blood pressure, cholesterol and reverse heart disease.
Sue
What "nonsense" would that be.about time this information was shared on a diabetes forum, I was beginning to despair, so much nonsense about low carbing
about time this information was shared on a diabetes forum, I was beginning to despair, so much nonsense about low carbing
I think we are in violent agreement, everyone can and should be suspicious of anything they are being old by an" authority" or not, though clearly evidence based authorities count for more.
My only concern with your post was that the way I read it you had effectively singled out those that had actually achieved full success on the journey including reaching target weight goals.
What is very clear is that with an initial diagnosis of diabetes , there are things that individuals can do through diet, all well explained by Daisy that will put them in a much healthier position relatively quickly, including reduced blood sugars, improved lipids and weight loss which moves them to a much better position than they began including their vulnerability to all manner of troubles which may or may not include some cancers
Some people will be lucky that this switch is enough to get them back to normal weight and normal insulin resistance as well. For many of us, including me, it won't and we will still find ourselves searching for new inspiration to get to that final stage. As such if anyone does try out something different and is prepared to share their experiences of it, I for one will be very grateful of any reports of the results - good or bad.
In the end all of this is down to what works for each individual. That will be combination of whatever the underlying science is- which may or may not yet have been discovered and the personal traits of each person.
Sometimes it can be hard to convey exactly what we mean and so it seems here. peace!
yes I get that nowI wasn't trying to single one group out...it was an example of where the survey fell short.
Well when you and @AliB give us some scientific evidence to back up your claims to reverse T2D then maybe we will give you the time of day. All we get is glossy videos on Youtube with well rehearsed spiels, and we have asked many times for proper scientific data. So far its been pretty unimpressive. Angela, we talked about this before, and you still have not given us solid evidence. There is evidence a'plenty to support LC diets which you decry so much. but there are a large number of people on this site who regularly and sustainably get their diabetes under control. with LC diet. I am one, but I do not make the claims for a cure, since I know that when the diet stops, so does my control regime. There are vegetarians using LC with success too, so it is not limited to omnivores.about time this information was shared on a diabetes forum, I was beginning to despair, so much nonsense about low carbing
I am sure a vegetarion diet is beneficial for diabetics, and this is not incompatible with an LC diet format. I also use the glycemic index as part of my LCHF diet, and again I have no problem with incorporating it. Also I use fasting as part of my control regime, and that too fits the LCHF format that I use to contril my diabetes. But I do not claim that LCHF is the only way to control bgl, and I do not make a claim that it will cure diabetes. But some on this thread ARE making that claim, and they are also urging us to stop doing LC to take up a high carb almost zero fat protocol. They have not been able to provide proper explanation as to the mechanisms backing up their claim, only that by following blindly down their path then a miracle will happen, I do not buy that. I would not follow a strict vegan diet myself, and would need it to be LC anyway. But if you look at what foods are allowed or not allowed in Forks over Knives, then yes they do allow oats and rice etc.I found the videos on the benefits of fibre on health quite interesting. I have been a vegetarian for over 40 years, so eat a lot of salad and vegetables. I think a “plant based” diet may not be good for type 2 diabetes if this includes a lot of high carb foods such as cereals, bread, potatoes, rice and pasta. Some fruit is also very high in carbs, such as bananas and grapes. The benefits of vinegar to gut bacteria was also informative.
When you cut back on carbs, you need to increase the amount of fat in your diet to compensate. Perhaps plant based fat from nuts and avocados may be more beneficial than animal based fat such as cheese and milk. I may try to make some alterations to my diet as my weight loss has stalled after losing 11Kg.
The benefits mentioned in the video in the opening post from eating a plant based diet seem to also apply to intermittently fasting. Fasting puts the body into a state of autophagy where it repairs itself. What your eat and how much you eat seem to be very important in maintaining good health. Some very simple changes in lifestyle and diet can have amazing benefits. Member of the forum should share these benefits, however it is more meaningful to get advice from people with diabetes who have benefitted rather than from people who don’t have diabetes with an agenda. Some vegans can be very evangelical about their beliefs. Most people here want to hear about what actually works for forum members with diabetes. I know I have had huge benefits from a LCHF diet.
I'm starting to entertain some pretty dark thoughts at the moment. I am a supporter of LCHF as together with restricting calories it has seemed to work for me putting me into remission.
But remission can be fragile it may not last forever So if it breaks and I am starting to see signs that it may where do I go from there? I really don't know.
The go-to standby in the future may still be Insulin, as is the position today. We may find better ways of putting it into our bodies than injections or cannulas (beam me up, Scottie) so it is worth using delaying tactics while we can.I'm starting to entertain some pretty dark thoughts at the moment. I am a supporter of LCHF as together with restricting calories it has seemed to work for me putting me into remission.
But remission can be fragile it may not last forever So if it breaks and I am starting to see signs that it may where do I go from there? I really don't know.
This seems counter intuitive to me, just on the daily evidence in the fasting numbers, HbA1c's, low carb programme and success stories on this site, Diet Doctor etc, show that Keto diets and LCHF approaching Keto levels do well. I don't know if my carb numbers on LCHF are Ketogenic, they would be close, but I know the following:Just came across a posting on another forum by a proponent of WFPB. This was posted at the end of a very good thread discussing the science of metabolism. I quote it complete with typo's. It was not followed by any attempt to provide any science backing, which is what I am still looking for.
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It makes me cry guys, stop that low carb, high animal fat ******** for the sake of the millions' health.
Most people using keto diet dont want to find out more about it.
For example ketogenic diet causes insulin resistance and high gasting sugar blood level yet people claim it lowers blood glucose levels.
It also destroys your gut micrflorsa,leads to glutathione depletion etc
There arent ANY primal people who thrive on keto diet (no Inui arent in ketosis) whereas there are plenty of being healthy and strong on high carbs diet.
Most keto believers dont even get basic stuff like that you dont need insulin responae to be fat etc.
I have many of science links to back up my claims but fighting with cultists is just waste of time,its lije discussing **** in /earthisflat>>>>>>>>
I agree with the closing remark, but apologise for the use of language (not my words)
Sorry to hear that, I assume you are no longer taking medication. Then something is going on, like an infection or a stress event? Presume you double checked your food intake.@Freema I may have to try that but on the whole I try and avoid any processed foods as it is as if I eat them I cough sneeze and have runny nose for hours.
@Oldvatr you could be right I hate to think it but today I have had a real knock back.
Started the day OK at 5.3 then after lunch got a reading of 10.4 then after dinner found my self at an unheard of for me any way 13.8 time to start worrying as to my next move I think.
Metformin has protective uses against other things and that's a low dose, so no problem. If you're happy with the food you eat right now then I wouldn't change that. I'm trying plant based eating to lose weight. I have put on a pound after day 1 lol. So anyone who experiments should use caution
Started the day OK at 5.3 then after lunch got a reading of 10.4 then after dinner found my self at an unheard of for me any way 13.8 time to start worrying as to my next move I think.
I'm guessing you have checked the battery in your meter? People have reported readings way off if battery running out. Fingers crossed it's that.@Freema I may have to try that but on the whole I try and avoid any processed foods as it is as if I eat them I cough sneeze and have runny nose for hours.
@Oldvatr you could be right I hate to think it but today I have had a real knock back.
Started the day OK at 5.3 then after lunch got a reading of 10.4 then after dinner found my self at an unheard of for me any way 13.8 time to start worrying as to my next move I think.
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