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Type 2 Reversing type 2


This could be physiological insulin resistance perhaps. Not the same as pathological. I was the same with protein but I’m currently doing ok with it. The protein thing also seems to be multifactorial. Unused amino acids are either excreted in urine or reconstructed into glucose for fuel...and then reconverted into fat if the resulting glucose is also unneeded. But, I do not know which variables affect this waste/glucose ratio, and I suspect no one does. These systems are so bewilderingly complex that all we can do is piece together what we do know and draw our best conclusions.

I’m currently eating hypercarnivore (70%+ animal products) and I’m so far not experiencing the typical fasting glucose rises that I used to see with excess protein (4.8mmol/L this morning). I have been doing some reading that near zero carbohydrate eating changes our metabolic pathways for amino acids somewhat. I reckon I’m doing less than 10g carbohydrate at the moment. Although I am still eating a great deal of dietary fat which will help.

Anyways sorry for derailing somewhat...
 
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Thanks. I think it does. So much information to process!
 

That is very interesting... I am an all or nothing kind of guy really. When I undertake something, I always remember my father’s advice "If something is worth doing, it's worth doing well"

I found giving up smoking easy as well. When I was younger, I was a heavy smoker. I was training hard in a martial art and thought I really need to stop smoking, so I did.

I had half a packer left and just put them in the bin, that was almost fifty years ago.


Having a good incentive is always helpful… In that case a black belt. In this staying alive.

A great incentive here is going to your hospital appointment and taking note of all the people that literally ‘don’t have a leg to stand on’


Po
 
Not arguing, but via low GI and exercise I went from 134 to 42/41, but this was hard work. I am of the opinion that if I had been low GI since I was a teenager I would not have contracted Type 2; obviously I can't prove this.
 
There might be something in my theory. My A levels were pure maths and statistics, I did technical drawing at "O" Level and my day job for 30 years has been IT, where I have also trained in PRINCE 2 - I do try not to fit the pipe and slippers stereotype, but it is interesting that I was rubbish at the creative stuff like Art, Drama and English. I did a course once that had 4 quadrants to describe the type of person you are, I ended up in the same box as Accountants, which isn't surprising.
 
Quite right you are, I hope I am not developing a complication.
 

I think this seems to contribute to enhanced control and could be a means of resolving T2 quicker, then low carbing perhaps. That's my experience so far, but that also depends on a number of individual factors. I'm doing a similar thing which is getting much closer to carnivore like eating and have noticed a dramatic change in things. Need to add a hole to my belt... because I'm constantly pulling my pants up...lol... but have made some good advances in strength training and gained weight. Plus a number of changes.
 
Quite right you are, I hope I am not developing a complication.

To be honest, I doubt the NHS will ever have a descriptor of "Cured" for anything, because of the messaging it conveys. I certainly wasn't looking for oneupmanship.
 

My strength has also improved measurably since embarking on a more carnivorous way of life. My carbohydrate ingestion was already low, but I was consuming a fair amount of broccoli, cauliflower and spinach. Since dumping them and replacing with lots of organ meat, I’ve added extra weight to my dumbbells because they were becoming too easy to lift.
 
To be honest, I doubt the NHS will ever have a descriptor of "Cured" for anything, because of the messaging it conveys. I certainly wasn't looking for oneupmanship.
Fine, it is important to be accurate when referencing a point of fact, on one of my old posts I did have resolved in an answer, so I surprised myself not remembering exactly.
 
I needed to buy some new trousers as mine just fell down when I started The HCLF diet at the start of April.

Mind I do think that not eating so much as a single crumb for a whole week before that helped a bit in the rotund department.
 
I needed to buy some new trousers as mine just fell down when I started The HCLF diet at the start of April.

Mind I do think that not eating so much as a single crumb for a whole week before that helped a bit in the rotund department.
Did you mean HCLF? High Carb Low Fat ? If so then has it helped you?
 
Trouble is the batter is my favourite part! Shame that no-one has invented a low carb batter or that frying the flour would kill the carbs. (Like my little alliteration?)
This is just a will thing in my view. Wheat based batter is just an invention using an ultra-processed refined ingredient. I don't agree with ultra processing, but for arguments sake I make pancakes out of coconut flour or extra fine almond flour; if the world went low carb, some bright sparks would process these ingredients even more to make the taste more neutral to be more like plain white flour. Oreo biscuits had to have the palm oil replaced, it took a lot of testing to re-make these with another ingredient, without alienating the market.
 
That is 100% what I found and 'still' think. It is a shame that I forgot for a while. Atkins was a great find for me, as was this site.
I just pray I don't forget again.
Po
 
Not arguing, but via low GI and exercise I went from 134 to 42/41, but this was hard work. I am of the opinion that if I had been low GI since I was a teenager I would not have contracted Type 2; obviously I can't prove this.
Oh, not seeing an arguement here. I went to 33 on low carb/keto. Low GI I did try out right at the beginning, but it still messed my sugars up before I realised it was all carbs, fast and slow, that did me in. No idea whether low GI would've made a difference if I'd tried it sooner though...
 
I needed to buy some new trousers as mine just fell down when I started The HCLF diet at the start of April.

Mind I do think that not eating so much as a single crumb for a whole week before that helped a bit in the rotund department.

It is one of the side effects of low carbing.... the key is to make sure this side effect doesn't hit you while walking down a busy street.
 
I have recently been recovering my bgl by using low carb after release from hospital which had messed my bgl control summat chronic. I was seeing 5's and 4's, except for the morning, where I seemed to be experiencing Dawn Phenomenon because my fasting levels were significantly and consistently higher than my bedtime readings. My late night readings would be (per ex) 5.1, and my morning one would be around 8 or 9, then my midday level would be back to 5 or 6.

I finlly worked out what was happening, Because I am using a high dose of Gliclazide, I was being proactive at night by having a low GI snack at bedtime to make sure i did not hypo in my sleep, This is the cause of the morning rise.

I proved this by stopping the snack, and seeing that my morning fbgl came in almost identical to the bedtime reading, i,e, unchanged overnight. So it seems that the Glic has run out of steam by the time I went to bed. This gives an active period of around 4 or 5 hours for the med to be neutralised, I also proved it to be due to the Low GI snack by using a bedtime reading that was significantly higher than usual (due to bad food choice), and then eating a large dose of milk chocolate at bedtime. Lo and behold, my fbg the next morning was 5.1 again, following a bedtime reading in excess of 10 mmol/l. So this gives me evidence that sugar triggers my Stage 1 insulin response, and it works fine at night, It is NOT triggered by a low GI snack. The low GI carbs will push the bgl up overnight and not be recognised by my body as being unwanted so will give a raised bgl reading in the morning. My breakfast and morning meds will eventually deal with the low GI snack by midday, but I have a long acting glucose bump following low GI, as it creeps in under my radar,

In hospital I regularly dropped from a high bedtime reading to a low 5 ish fbgl in the morning, and I put this down to having a bedtime cocoa drink, with sweetners to help me sleep, This seems to have been enough to trigger a Stage 1 response. I am not sure if it is due to the Cocoa, or the milk, or the sweetners, since artificial sweetners are suspected of triggering Stage 1 responses on their own.

So maybe a way to deal with DP is to eat a sugary snack at night, which seems counterproductive but may restore the fasting levels. Its a cheat since all it does is push the sugar carbs into storage to lower the bgl, Alternativly make sure you do not eat low GI at bedtime.

This post does not address the OP regarding reversal etc, but I regard that argument to simply be semantics, and I do not feel inclined to join in that debate. However, the experiment to trigger Stage 1 response does go partway to demonstrating that my IR has been reduced, and that I may not be so far away from Diabetes Nirvana after all, I produce my own insulin and it does what it says on the tin!!!!!! Now that I know that the med only lasts a short while, I am also in a better place to reduce it ad absurdam and I do not need to fear nightime hypo's either.
 

This is the way I look at it. My dad had been pre-diabetic for years. He crossed over slightly into the diabetic range, but ate better and lost some weight and returned to the pre-diabetic range. Still there. I would consider him pre-diabetic now (not a diabetic), but obviously that could change if he goes back to his old ways.
 
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