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saw this on the DUK website - breakthrough in type 2 treatment

Discussion in 'Diabetes Research' started by himtoo, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. andcol

    andcol I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    Yes intermittent fasting is known to bring on autophagy and so is exercise that stresses the muscles (like resistance training) and also, due to switching insulin requirements very low, is ketosis.
     
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  2. woodywhippet61

    woodywhippet61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I agree this concerns me as well. I really hope that the people for whom this has worked maintain it. There is so much blame and shame attached to having a T2 diagnosis.
     
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  3. Salvia

    Salvia Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, andcol - that's helpful and hopeful info. I don't think I could do the ND diet but I'm ok with fasting, and exercise. I could do that more regularly and for a longer time on each occasion.
     
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    Totally agree @bulkbiker -Yes, it is the same old story: obesity conceptualized as a moral failure - featuring 2 of the 7 deadly sins no less: gluttony and sloth!
    Gary Taubes has written about how this flawed paradigm came about in the following article:
    http://www.nature.com/news/treat-obesity-as-physiology-not-physics-1.12014
    “This paradigm of energy balance/overeating/gluttony/sloth became the conventional, unquestioned explanation for why we get fat.”
     
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  5. himtoo

    himtoo Type 1 · Well-Known Member
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    you make a fair point regarding bad dietary advice -- but I think your focus is looking at now versus looking forward --
    look at your own signature profile -- you have made individual change in under 6 months -- societal change can take a while longer to implement , I have learned much about patience in my time...........
     
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  6. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    At least with bariatric surgery, the form which reverses diabetes, has more influence on long-term prognosis. Ok there is more research in this field than ND and being performed successful, for longer but far less hungry whilst improving diabetes status, permanently.
    Yes many add weight in settling down 2yrs after op. Many lose more than predicted too.
    I hoping for a workable bmi with my diabetes.. If i manage to reverse it it will be also be needing good aftercare/management. Which is obviously self management. This is where bariatric surgery fails it's participants. After surgery. Currently huge emphasis on choosing the right patients.
    I hope to do their statistics proud. And their aftercare stats even better.
    Maybe we need a section in the forum for aftercare/maintenance?
     
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  8. Down-Jai 001

    Down-Jai 001 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I do wonder as I look at the low calorie intake, on the breakthu news today, as low as 200 a day and I use ove 400 in one activity. I am not over weigh but I want to come off : the slow release insulin inject 6 units just in the evening only. At the moment I'm on the low carb diet. Perhaps there's no way I could get off the insulin.
     
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  9. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    The poor woman on bbc news at lunchtime, i really could see the sorrow in her eyes. What will happen if she starts adding weight or has rogue bgs due to stress etc... i really feel for her. So much pressure on her when most likely it will be out of her control. :(
     
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  10. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I am also quite interested in what the 4% in the control group did to achieve their remission (which I imagine was quite unexpected)... was it LCHF I wonder and did they find it here...
     
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  11. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    If only 6units, i think you can. Is it a basal injection?
     
  12. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Sounds possible but could be the group who are told diabetes is progressive and done trails to prove professor wrong? Maybe. Will we get to know?
     
  13. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    I doubt that you will get much benefit from autophagy drinking the amount of carbs contained in the shakes.. So far as I am aware carbs and protein will stop autophagy (or at least that's what my reading would suggest) so the likelihood of anyone on the trail achieving beneficial autophagy would be very surprising.
     
  14. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    probably not.. they didn't follow the correct pattern.
     
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  15. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    But they didn't do intermittent fasting they were having three shakes a day weren't they?
     
  16. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    I agree.
    When will they get it?
    Type1s see it everyday.
    The more insulin, the more weight. Type1s who've had no insulin for a while go too skinny which damages the organs. Of course acid builds up in the blood too.
    So.... the opposite to that is too much insulin circulating and causing no energy or intermittent energy to be processed. Fat cells bring created in the wrong way which clogg up the process even more, and more.
    I found r-ala a key to trying to straighten that circulation/pathway to be released. A very good supplement for type2 patients.
     
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    Down-Jai 001 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Be careful with that analogy; what happens when a type 1 has 'too much insulin circulating'? There certainly aren't any fat cells being created of the wrong or any other way! And how is 'excess insulin' addressed for a type 1?

    If you're going to extrapolate between the different types of diabetes (and why not? Surely there must be at least some overlap in the carb/insulin relationship) you need to use the same goal posts. Type 1's can and do put on weight. But not as a result of hypoglycemia...
     
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