Stupid, crazy or what if?

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My wife tells me I’m in denial but I’ve been diagnosed as type 2 for almost 20 years now and truth be told the signs if I had been aware of them were there for all to see.
I take metformin a statin and a blood pressure tablet and 50 units each night from a Lantau Solo Star.
I rarely take blood readings (as in my mind there’s sod all I can do about high or low readings) until now.
I’ve had constantly conflicting advice from health care professionals which has contributed to my lack of belief in them over the condition.
However. I am about to embark on a trip of a lifetime cycling around the world. Roughly 80 miles a day and it won’t be too long before the pills and pens run out. By then I hope to have lost a serious amount of weight through exercise and a low carb, high veg diet. So the question is am I stupid crazy or what if I’ve got it right and get to the remission stage?
I will be checking my bloods at least twice a day and drinking as much water as I can.
What do you think?
 

EllieM

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Some thoughts
1) When and where is the trip? How confident are you that you'll be able to source low carb food? (eg Indian diets tend to be fairly high carb - rice, naan, beans etc)?
2) Have you already started a low carb diet and is it reducing your insulin needs? I'd worry that after twenty years as a T2 you may have exhausted your insulin producing cells so although insulin resistance may be reduced by low carb I don't know how much insulin you're still producing. (But hopefully someone more knowledgeable will comment)
3) As a T1, who produces no insulin, I would die within a few days without it, so I'm concerned about what happens if you don't get into remission.

Good luck, but I hope you've got good medical insurance.
 

Debandez

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My wife tells me I’m in denial but I’ve been diagnosed as type 2 for almost 20 years now and truth be told the signs if I had been aware of them were there for all to see.
I take metformin a statin and a blood pressure tablet and 50 units each night from a Lantau Solo Star.
I rarely take blood readings (as in my mind there’s sod all I can do about high or low readings) until now.
I’ve had constantly conflicting advice from health care professionals which has contributed to my lack of belief in them over the condition.
However. I am about to embark on a trip of a lifetime cycling around the world. Roughly 80 miles a day and it won’t be too long before the pills and pens run out. By then I hope to have lost a serious amount of weight through exercise and a low carb, high veg diet. So the question is am I stupid crazy or what if I’ve got it right and get to the remission stage?
I will be checking my bloods at least twice a day and drinking as much water as I can.
What do you think?

firstly i will tag in @daisy1 for the very useful info. Secondly I'm no expert on meds especially insulin but from what I've read since dx then you may have a very good chance of reducing meds from going low carb high fat or keto. BUT you will have to take many more readings than 2 a day AND work closely with HCP to avoid hypo/hyper. You will almost definitely lose weight. The weight loss with the new way of eating alone would in my opinion be rapid. This will no doubt effect your BP meds too.

Doing the above whilst travelling the world will be a challenge in itself, never mind the cycling.

Do you cycle a lot at home? When do you go? It sounds amazing! As you say a trip of a lifetime. I would absolutely love to do it myself but only on a tandem with me sitting on the back with my feet up and a glass of wine!!!

This may be a useful link:
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/diabetes-and-insulin-access-worldwide/
 
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Muddikins

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You must have done some serious training already to reliably cycle 80 miles a day. I am aiming for a century ride but it won't be this year and I only want to do it as a one off.
My thoughts are that if all your training hasn't already resolved your diabetes then your round the world cycle won't either.
Diet is King when it comes to T2, not exercise. Exercise is the icing on the cake (how inappropriate is that as a metaphor?) but without the diet it does much less than you would hope for.
I am with your wife on this, read around the forum, get your blood sugar levels reliably within sensible limits so that you can get off your meds under medical supervision and only then set off.
Welcome to the forum:).
 
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You must have done some serious training already to reliably cycle 80 miles a day. I am aiming for a century ride but it won't be this year and I only want to do it as a one off.
My thoughts are that if all your training hasn't already resolved your diabetes then your round the world cycle won't either.
Diet is King when it comes to T2, not exercise. Exercise is the icing on the cake (how inappropriate is that as a metaphor?) but without the diet it does much less than you would hope for.
I am with your wife on this, read around the forum, get your blood sugar levels reliably within sensible limits so that you can get off your meds under medical supervision and only then set off.
Welcome to the forum:).

I agree. This strategy needs to be in place as part of a proven lifestyle change before embarking on 80 mile cycle rides. The last thing anyone needs is huge and unpredictable changes in diet and medications when already committed to a round-the-world cycle trip. Determination goes a long way and this whole plan is admirable, but personally I feel like a bit of a reality check may be wise. Do all this stuff in a controlled environment and then think about the tour.

Either way though, best of luck @Type2fingershurt. Just be very careful. It could be disastrous to find yourself compromised and vulnerable away from civilisation somewhere. Oh and welcome to the community.
 

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@Type2fingershurt
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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My wife tells me I’m in denial but I’ve been diagnosed as type 2 for almost 20 years now and truth be told the signs if I had been aware of them were there for all to see.
I take metformin a statin and a blood pressure tablet and 50 units each night from a Lantau Solo Star.
I rarely take blood readings (as in my mind there’s sod all I can do about high or low readings) until now.
I’ve had constantly conflicting advice from health care professionals which has contributed to my lack of belief in them over the condition.
However. I am about to embark on a trip of a lifetime cycling around the world. Roughly 80 miles a day and it won’t be too long before the pills and pens run out. By then I hope to have lost a serious amount of weight through exercise and a low carb, high veg diet. So the question is am I stupid crazy or what if I’ve got it right and get to the remission stage?
I will be checking my bloods at least twice a day and drinking as much water as I can.
What do you think?

Hello there.

I'm also quite a bold person when it comes to living my life, although I have never been "tethered" to pharmacy to support and medical condition in my life. That has recently changed with a few thyroid related challenges, but that is one form of medication available over the counter in many parts of the world, so is perhaps easier to deal with.

(I use the word tethered merely to mean needing regular prescriptions, not as a value judgement on me, you or anyone else. Phew.)

When you say you are about to embark on a trip of a lifetime, when is that (not necessarily the dates, but is that in a week, a month, 6 months)? You also haven't shared if your trip is in Europe

Have you discussed your trip with your health care team, to see what support they could be willing to give for for your trip? As an example, I've just come back from a 2 month trip to SE Asia, and my GP was quite happy to prescribe additional thyroid medications for me for the duration of my trip. Obviously not all drugs can be dispensed well in advance, if they have a short shelk life, or require specialist storage protocols.

If you are hardly ever testing your bloods, that could be tricky, and even twice a day could be significantly infrequent when undertaking your trip. Exercise can improve our insulin resistance and as such mean that current doses of medications can become a bit much over time, and require adjustments. How confident are you in making adjustments to your medications, without health care professional support? Have you discussed the various, "what of" scenarios with them?

In your shoes, I'd be undertaking some intensive self testing now and in the remaining lead up to your trip, so that I hada a decent understanding of my body's response to exercise and the medications I might be taking.

Have you researched the medications you are taking to see what may or may not be available to you as you progress?

It strikes me there's a fair bit of prep to be done to ensure you have wwhat you need along the way.
 

jjraak

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@Type2fingershurt

Trip of a lifetime indeed..jealous.

May have misread but can see no sign of HBA1c scores that would indicate remission, but may have missed it.

Good points made to be doing what you may have to do on the journey NOW, so you and your body become accustomed to it.

As a small note, I'm currently in India on hols..been eating local food with little spiking....
A copied post earlier here, if of interest.
(Must admit I was pleasantly surprised at BG scores )

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...e-with-some-chat.22272/page-2247#post-2022233

Good luck on trip...:)