Panorama are now in trouble for a highly dubious 'documentary' on Downs Syndrome. A lot of parents and people with downs syndrome are tweeting about its inaccuracy.
Really good program IMHO , but where did they get their info on Type 1's i.e. 'they were born with it'. I certainly wasn't :-0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006t14n
From their site....
Diabetes: The Hidden Killer - Clarification
In this programmeType One Diabetes was referred to as “the sort you’re born with”. We acknowledge that this is not a medically accurate description. Although Type One Diabetes commonly develops in childhood, often to genetically predisposed individuals, it can develop at any age. It results from immune mediated injury to the pancreas and it is not known exactly what triggers this.
You are right, I misread - mea culpa xI missed this was a Panorama production, there's nothing on their web site about it. Sally Phillips fronted it, so I assumed it was a personal examination of the issues.
I wouldn't be guided by the nurse ref losing too much weight as many of them seem to be obese and don't seem to realise it!I've got the opposite problem, my diabetic nurse called me twice within two weeks and gave me contradictory advice. I started on the low carb diet following the advice of the diabetic nurse and started exercising and lost 2lbs in two weeks. When the same diabetic nurse rang a week later she told me not to lose to much weight.!
How sad that the NHS is still promoting porrige for breakfast and an apple for lunch (as in the video clip above) while waiting for wieght loss surgery for a diabetic. This chap has to prove he can virtually starve himself in order to have the surgery. Oh why can't NHS come to see that LCHF would be a much more likely way for being able to stick to a weight loss diet and not then needing the surgery.
The chap in the video claims he's tried everything but what's the betting he hasn't tried LCHF.
I've never been able to diet by counting calories, low fat but I've done amazingly well on LCHF, without counting anything, and feeling so much better on this.
I do hope the NHS will wake up to this before too long and get it across to people who need it. (I appreciate it doesn't work for everyone though)
Banish the Beige
I didn't want to start a fresh thread for this, but any Mods who disagree - feel free to move this.
For anyone who wants to find the Jamie Owens programme, Fat v Carbs, that was shown on Tuesday on BBC Wales here is the way ; Catchup TV > BBC iPlayer > Popular > Fat v Carbs (3/10 8.30pm BBC Wales.)
Although there was an attempt to "balance" the claims for LCHF, by interviewing staunch NHS-brainwashed types, they didn't have much conviction and were reliant on the "everybody knows fat makes you fat" line. It was nice to see glimpses of the National Obesity Forum statement from earlier this year and to see real results from (*SPOILER ALERT*)
the presenter and a guest. Three weeks was honestly not long enough to to burn off his visceral fat and we didn't see that much exercising but the results were encouraging and the doctor's face at the end was a picture.
did you read the rest of her post? it was clear that the hug is for all this man has suffered by incorrect and dangerous NHS advice, and a lack of mental health support as well as dietary support.
the NEXT sentence is about helping him in a way that works.
Lets have some compassion. Do we talk of our ancestors who died through medical practices that killed them as deserving it and being weak willed for not doing the things THEY DIDNT KNOW would help them?
Dont think so.
The majority of T2s in this country are told to go and eat carbs, the tablets will take care of 'it', and not to test their own blood glucose.
And this behaviour doesn't help people that have problems. It make no sense to eat chocolate for an overweight guy that is going to bariatric surgery for sure, but simply badmouthing and don't try to understand why someone has self destructing behaviours make a lot less more sense to me.As your post shows, a diagnosis of T2 doesn't come with an automatic dose of compassion for others in worse circumstances.
Mores the pity.
The NHS didn't tell him to take his kids chocolates, or to eat 4 weetbix topped with Frosties, I save my compassion for those that make an effort.
I didn't see all of the programme, but the guy you mentioned didn't appear to care for himself, also the teenage boy of 15 who knew he shouldn't be eating sweets and his bs was 18 at the diabetes clinic, quite shocking
the programme was about the cost to the NHS because of the amount of people being diagnosed with type 2 (an epidemic) and young children too, which was unheard of a decade ago, so sadThe gastric band surgeon said now the majority of his patients undergoing this procedure are type 2, I don't know if they are having the procedure because they were obese to start with before being diagnosed or after diagnosis? I am sure we all have cravings, I know I do, I would love to eat a big curry with rice, but I don't or a Crunchie bar, I don't because they will spike me and I would also put on weight with the larger amounts of Insulin.
We all need determination, guts and will power to overcome things like smoking, alcohol, gambling, foods etc, but it can be done, some may take longer and need more support.
Robin, whilst I agree with you that we all need self-control to a greater or lesser extent, I do feel it is important to recognise that for some people over-eating, binging or disordered eating are little to do with lack of will, and more than most cases of anorexia are just about not fancying eating or loss of apetite.
Of course not everyone carrying weight has an eating disorder. I'm not suggesting that for an instant. I am just acknowledging that things aren't always as straightforward as they look.
I am 62 years old and have been diabetic for 50 years and every day i keep it under control i weight train 5 days a week and mountain and road cycle around 80 miles a week i trian my abbs for 30 minutes 6 evenings a week but the best thing is i have no complications at all absolutely at all that is me in the photo aged 61 and i look better than most of the yong lads in the gym.this post is not offensive but is exactly what these diabetics are letting themselfs in for.Your non judgmental, supportive, tolerance is not shining through.
Your answer is typical of the stereotyping of Type2 diabetes by the media.
Do you have any sympathy for Type2's who have been told to eat a high carb diet by HCPs or who have steroid induced Type2?
There are often psychological problems involved with people who have issues with foods.
There are also a variety of medications, necessary for some members that have raised their blood sugars, resulting in a diagnosis of Type2.
I am at a loss to understand what you have gained by your offensive post.
I am happy that that is what you have been able to do. But do you both recognise and have empathy for those who cannot, for many reasons, do what you have done?I am 62 years old and have been diabetic for 50 years and every day i keep it under control i weight train 5 days a week and mountain and road cycle around 80 miles a week i trian my abbs for 30 minutes 6 evenings a week but the best thing is i have no complications at all absolutely at all that is me in the photo aged 61 and i look better than most of the yong lads in the gym.this post is not offensive but is exactly what these diabetics are letting themselfs in for. View attachment 20616
I am 62 years old and have been diabetic for 50 years and every day i keep it under control i weight train 5 days a week and mountain and road cycle around 80 miles a week i trian my abbs for 30 minutes 6 evenings a week but the best thing is i have no complications at all absolutely at all that is me in the photo aged 61 and i look better than most of the yong lads in the gym.this post is not offensive but is exactly what these diabetics are letting themselfs in for. View attachment 20616
Good for you. Now you just need to put in some strenuous hours building up your compassion and empathy muscles as well. You might find that harder than cycling but it will be worth it in the end.I am 62 years old and have been diabetic for 50 years and every day i keep it under control i weight train 5 days a week and mountain and road cycle around 80 miles a week i trian my abbs for 30 minutes 6 evenings a week but the best thing is i have no complications at all absolutely at all that is me in the photo aged 61 and i look better than most of the yong lads in the gym.this post is not offensive but is exactly what these diabetics are letting themselfs in for. View attachment 20616
Good for you. Now you just need to put in some strenuous hours building up your compassion and empathy muscles as well. You might find that harder than cycling but it will be worth it in the end.
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