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Bluetit1802 said:
@AdamJames Have you tried posting on the Fitness, exercise and sport sub-forum about what you need to eat for your hikes? I am sure it isn't necessary to eat a lot of carbs.
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I started a thread asking for hiking food suggestions, yes. I think I put it in the general questions forum but got a lot of good suggestions anyhow! I've also whined a few times at how hiking seems to have made things worse, though I've probably done that in random threads just like I've done here! So far I've only spent one full weekend taking an accurate food and walking log, and I carried the log over into the days afterwards as well. So far it seems I under-eat when walking, and eat like a pig when I get back. If I get a good body of data I'll probably start a thread and ask people to pick it apart and make suggestions.
 
zand said:
@AdamJames I wish I could help.
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I wish you could help, too :)

Seriously though I call it 'whining' because it's a trivial problem compared to what many are experiencing here.

The obvious answer of course is to not eat like a pig when I get back from a big weekend of walking. But it's not as simple as that - I literally am almost semi-conscious at work unless I stuff my face on a Monday for example.

I suspect the answer is that I forgot that my metabolism is broken. Towards the end of last year, I could barely stay awake for 4 hours a day and that's what made me realise it was diabetes doing it and I started making efforts to tackle it. Then as soon as I started feeling relatively fit I started going back on big walks at weekends again. It was probably too much to hope that my metabolism would cope like it used to.

I'd got it to the point where I could go on regular short walks at night, and eat the type and amount of food that seems satisfying enough, while losing weight, getting good blood sugar control and was plenty alert enough to do my job. Then I upped the ante hugely and it went wrong. So I just need to accept that I'm not quite there yet and back off a bit. That's the theory I'm going to work on anyway :)
 
To get back to the programme, the one thing that shone out for me was that excercise was barely touched on. One participant did some walking. I realised that this was the first programme of its kind aired recently that wasn't centered on CICO.
 
Guzzler said:
To get back to the programme, the one thing that shone out for me was that excercise was barely touched on. One participant did some walking. I realised that this was the first programme of its kind aired recently that wasn't centered on CICO.
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That didn't occur to me at the time tbh but it's a good point.

And as far as I remember, the woman who started walking more just wanted to, she hadn't been advised to?
 
One thing that's easy to miss about the ND and a lot of the words coming from Newcastle, is that exercise is positively discouraged.

During the weight loss phase there's the advice to avoid any increase in activity.

Even after the weight loss, exercise comes with a warning. I think the advice was something like "exercise if you want to, but be careful as that can lead to weight gain".

That last bit certainly rings true with my own experience recently.
 
AdamJames said:
That didn't occur to me at the time tbh but it's a good point.

And as far as I remember, the woman who started walking more just wanted to, she hadn't been advised to?
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It could be a case that she, having lost some weight, was even more motivated to help things along by being more active. It may have been advice given to her to specifically aid her heart health as opposed to aiding weight loss alone. Who knows, the outcome was she looked better, felt better and did you notice that the lasses held themselves better in a body language type of way?
 
AdamJames said:
One thing that's easy to miss about the ND and a lot of the words coming from Newcastle, is that exercise is positively discouraged.

During the weight loss phase there's the advice to avoid any increase in activity.

Even after the weight loss, exercise comes with a warning. I think the advice was something like "exercise if you want to, but be careful as that can lead to weight gain".

That last bit certainly rings true with my own experience recently.
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In terms of Diabetes my lack of excercise has not stopped my progression towards improved markers. I must stress here that I'm positive that activity is great for overall good health but I feel that the benefits are sometimes a little overstated when it comes to weight loss and Diabetes management.
 
Guzzler said:
It could be a case that she, having lost some weight, was even more motivated to help things along by being more active. It may have been advice given to her to specifically aid her heart health as opposed to aiding weight loss alone. Who knows, the outcome was she looked better, felt better and did you notice that the lasses held themselves better in a body language type of way?
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Yes I noticed a very positive vibe from the 'lasses' - I remember thinking towards the end that one of them had a bit of a glint in her eye. My hormones are all over the place at the moment so I was probably imaging that though.

Interesting you don't say the same for Paul the Priest, and I agree, I think he looked bemused throughout the whole process, and unfortunately didn't seem to move around comfortably at any point.
 
AdamJames said:
Yes I noticed a very positive vibe from the 'lasses' - I remember thinking towards the end that one of them had a bit of a glint in her eye. My hormones are all over the place at the moment so I was probably imaging that though.

Interesting you don't say the same for Paul the Priest, and I agree, I think he looked bemused throughout the whole process, and unfortunately didn't seem to move around comfortably at any point.
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Poor Paul. I got the distinct impression at one point that he was just plain hungry. His feet did look as though they were bothering him and definitely bothering him to the point of affecting his gait.

The lass who said she was addicted to fast food? She was the one I had the most misgivings about.
 
Guzzler said:
Poor Paul. I got the distinct impression at one point that he was just plain hungry. His feet did look as though they were bothering him and definitely bothering him to the point of affecting his gait.

The lass who said she was addicted to fast food? She was the one I had the most misgivings about.
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Yeah when they showed Paul with his grandkids(?) getting the ice-cream, I really wasn't sure who was going to end up with it! He did well to resist. The cameras probably helped!

I think they all did well though in the end. It was the fast-food addict who I could relate to most. I pass KFC, Burger King and McDonalds every day and they are all 2 minutes drive from where I work. I still haven't lost the desire to have them, and the smell of KFC particularly makes me go funny.

One day a while ago I didn't have time to make a packed lunch and I dreaded driving out at lunch to get something. In the end I went to a greasy spoon cafe and had bacon, egg, mushrooms, and I know I shouldn't, but also a sausage and a slice of black pudding. The last two will have been carby, but at least I didn't end up in KFC.
 
AdamJames said:
Yeah when they showed Paul with his grandkids(?) getting the ice-cream, I really wasn't sure who was going to end up with it! He did well to resist. The cameras probably helped!

I think they all did well though in the end. It was the fast-food addict who I could relate to most. I pass KFC, Burger King and McDonalds every day and they are all 2 minutes drive from where I work. I still haven't lost the desire to have them, and the smell of KFC particularly makes me go funny.

One day a while ago I didn't have time to make a packed lunch and I dreaded driving out at lunch to get something. In the end I went to a greasy spoon cafe and had bacon, egg, mushrooms, and I know I shouldn't, but also a sausage and a slice of black pudding. The last two will have been carby, but at least I didn't end up in KFC.
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I'm sure you know this (but maybe you don't) but burger king do bunless burgers so you can get a double whopper with cheese and bacon with no bun but with a knife and fork to eat it with.. as an emergency lunch not so bad...
 
bulkbiker said:
I'm sure you know this (but maybe you don't) but burger king do bunless burgers so you can get a double whopper with cheese and bacon with no bun but with a knife and fork to eat it with.. as an emergency lunch not so bad...
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Knowing me I'd have probably timidly asked for the normal burger and taken the bread off myself and tried to eat it with my hands. Is it policy that they will do this for you, or you just need to be lucky with an obliging member of staff? Good on them if it's policy.

It occurred to me when I went to the greasy spoon cafe that I had to pay well over the odds as I had to make the breakfast up entirely from the "add your own extras" menu. It would be so easy to have a standard low-carb breakfast on the menu that had say an extra slice of bacon instead of the toast, and 2 eggs instead of beans etc. Maybe I'll suggest that to them next time.
 
AdamJames said:
Knowing me I'd have probably timidly asked for the normal burger and taken the bread off myself and tried to eat it with my hands. Is it policy that they will do this for you, or you just need to be lucky with an obliging member of staff? Good on them if it's policy.

It occurred to me when I went to the greasy spoon cafe that I had to pay well over the odds as I had to make the breakfast up entirely from the "add your own extras" menu. It would be so easy to have a standard low-carb breakfast on the menu that had say an extra slice of bacon instead of the toast, and 2 eggs instead of beans etc. Maybe I'll suggest that to them next time.
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I'm pretty sure that BK offer it as standard for all their meals. Last time I had a maccyd's breakfast I also asked for it without bun and that came on one of their polystyrene plates with a knife and fork too. I think they have realised that people prefer not chucking the bun.. no money off of course!
 
bulkbiker said:
I'm sure you know this (but maybe you don't) but burger king do bunless burgers so you can get a double whopper with cheese and bacon with no bun but with a knife and fork to eat it with.. as an emergency lunch not so bad...
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Thanks. I didn't know that.
 
Was anyone else uncomfortable with the way the fast food addicted lass was manipulating her throat/posture in order to get around the restriction of the bariatric band? And that she openly admitted to drinking whilst eating even though the advice given to her was to avoid it?
 
Guzzler said:
Well spotted.
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I saw that and sighed because it suddenly just became Clear it's not really a helpful program for diabetics at all . In my experience it's perfectly possible to control blood sugars on low carb with or without weight loss. As such its a treatment for everyone. It must be so dispiriting to be a slim diabetic and get the impression only starving yourself will work . The OGTT test was just silly . One hopes the tv programme made that up . If Its What the researchers are really doing, then God help us all in trying to get the current mess fixed .
 
AdamJames said:
There was Paul the Priest, Paul, Good Old Paul, and Poor Paul. Honestly, keep up!
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Thank you that was very informative I just wondered why you keep referring to him as Paul the priest but do not refer to any one else on the program by their profession or expanding on how him being a priest affects the diet or program, or outcome or in fact how it has any bearing on the discussion, your reply tells me more about you than him.
 
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