And I used to think it was just normal hardening of the arteries..... Anecdotal evidence in this forum seems to show that a properly conducted LCHF diet does not lead to increased FFA's and in fact leads to an improved lipid panel. The comments on High Carb, High Fat being bad for us seems to be born out by recent studies.This journal article https://jdmdonline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40200-016-0235-9
says:-
"Building on the presented evidence, we suggest that chronically elevated plasma FFAs must be avoided to prevent or postpone reduction of membrane flexibility, which may be the major cause of diabetes-specific complications. We are not concerned with the details of our hypothesis, but we hope that the bigger picture is correct. More research is necessary to better understand the idea of early systemic cell membrane dysfunction."
This article is entitled "diet raises complication risk in diabetes:-
http://www.gponline.com/high-fat-diet-raises-complication-risk-diabetes/article/1122869
As one who has criticised the LCHF diet on several occasions, I did not have any posts removed where the discussion was relevant to the topic. On one occasion I was requested to start a new thread since the discussion was diverging from the OP, and this made my objection stand out in its own right. We have had several meaningful discussions on aspects of the diet that have been invaluable.
This journal article https://jdmdonline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40200-016-0235-9
says:-
"Building on the presented evidence, we suggest that chronically elevated plasma FFAs must be avoided to prevent or postpone reduction of membrane flexibility, which may be the major cause of diabetes-specific complications. We are not concerned with the details of our hypothesis, but we hope that the bigger picture is correct. More research is necessary to better understand the idea of early systemic cell membrane dysfunction."
This article is entitled "diet raises complication risk in diabetes:-
http://www.gponline.com/high-fat-diet-raises-complication-risk-diabetes/article/1122869
Luna,
I eat salad greens, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, mushrooms, celery, radish, onions and a few odds and ends low carb veggies. I eat about 4 ounces quality protein, an avocado a day, olive oil, olives and a few nuts and seeds. Looking at my diet please advise what part is going to kill me and cause complications?
This journal article https://jdmdonline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40200-016-0235-9
says:-
"Building on the presented evidence, we suggest that chronically elevated plasma FFAs must be avoided to prevent or postpone reduction of membrane flexibility, which may be the major cause of diabetes-specific complications. We are not concerned with the details of our hypothesis, but we hope that the bigger picture is correct. More research is necessary to better understand the idea of early systemic cell membrane dysfunction."
This article is entitled "diet raises complication risk in diabetes:-
http://www.gponline.com/high-fat-diet-raises-complication-risk-diabetes/article/1122869
Also the report was published March 2012. which is before the major studies on all cause mortality and saturated fats were released. In fact, Ancel Keyes was still very much in vogue and had not been debunked. We were still very much low fat orientated at that time.Let's be clear on these two articles. The first is talking about a pre-diabetic state with no comment about a low carb diet. It describes the state pre-treatment and looks at how FFAs are found to be increased with a reduction in GLUT receptors and under a state of increased glucose levels, higher levels of FFAs are found. The combination of both higher glucose and higher FFAs is present (similar to the state when in DKA although not as advanced) as the body is glucose adapted and also releasing FFAs due to insulin resistance. It does not talk about a ketogenic state where FFAs are being removed from circulation to be burnt as fuel.
The second talks about saturated fats rather than "fats" and even on this forum the jury is still out on that.
As with all these things, further research is necessary. All I take from it is that whatever you eat, it's easier to die with diabetes.
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Hi @luna50,
I will not present evidence, either from books or texts, medical journals or the like.
I present myself.
I very low carb, and I mean very low, because I have to, to be well.
I have been eating this way for well over two years now.
My health couldn't be better!
I am in total control of my blood glucose levels.
Even my endocrinologist, advised me to eat this way.
My wife has T2, and she has reduced her carb intake and her health has improved.
I am living proof that to be healthy, you don't need to eat carbs that don't come in very low quantities in vegetables, protein and natural fats!
Luna,
I am not at all a vegetarian. Vegetarians don't eat beef, lamb, poultry, bison, fish etc. I eat very low carb, moderate protein and higher healthy fat. A great diabetic diet in my opinion.
Read the text here very careful
You are not diabetic. You have a reactive hypoglycaemia. What is good for you is not good for diabetes T2. Your experience about carbohydrate is not relevant for T2DM. You write in some of your letters that you have research all literature. It is good for you.
@luna50 I notice you are T2 on insulin. Have you ever tried to low carb yourself? Maybe you could reduce your own insulin needs?
Yes I am T2DM on insulin and the medications for hypertension and cholesterol and metformin.
I have been T2DM for about 30 year and I use only 8 IE insulin / day
I am surprised that no one of this people who comment on my thread has understood what about I make critic. IF this persons do not like to eat Carbs, then it is no my problem. I do it from altruistic reason.
My critic is not about Low-Carb as general name for the diet. It is only about the dangerous for D2DM EXTREM LOw-Carb diet i.e. where the person intake max. 5 to 10 gram carbs/day as by Dr. Atkins diet.
Below is the name of this diet: Low carb (ketogenic)
» Low carb (ketogenic) 0-50g carbohydrate per day (Avoid this if you have T2DM)
» Typical low carb 50-90g
» Liberal low carb 90-130g
» Moderate carb 130-170g
» High carb 170 g and more
The another 4 regimes are OK for me.
I have used this diets forms for many years ago, before the name Low-Carb has entered the sides of the press.
» Typical low carb 50-90g or » Liberal low carb 90-130g -- Is typical my diet.
All depend by me of my physical activities/day, but I use the Carbs from about 50 to 130 g/day
The two links from Dark Horse point on the danger of cetogenic diet. No one understand the text.
IndeedLuna appears to be the same person that was on the boards arguing the same thing a month or so ago.
Welcome again Luna, or whatever your name is now.
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