There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

Hiitsme · Jan 30, 2017

Jamesuk9 said:
Yes, I accept what you're saying, my daughter is morbidly obese and cannot lose weight either.

I am also guilty of believing that diabetes only happened to people who ate all the cakes and couldn't say no.....

We live and learn, especially when I expected to be the last person to ever have BS issues because of my stereotyping in the past.

I also find that most of the dietary advise and weight loss advise for diabetes isn't applicable to me as I can ill afford to lose any more weight now.

I did however get my BMI from 25 to 20 with 2 stone loss very quickly in about 4 weeks and have maintained it.

It has also only had negligible effect on my fasting levels.

So, I still look for answers and learn.

Quit I will never do.

Sometimes things that are typed are taken literally as emotion cannot be conveyed, of course it's not applicable to all and was never meant to come across that way.

It is however highly relevant to the majority, present company excluded.

@Jamesuk9
My BMI was 25 when diagnosed although GP put it down as 24.9 and told me I wasn't overweight. Nurse told me my diet was too good (ie very close to eat well plate) to do it with diet. I wanted to do the Newcastle diet but that said you need medical supervision and neither my GP or nurse would support me. I set about losing weight by eating 500 cals less per day than I was burning so often about 1000 cals a day. I had been given a meter (as GP was convinced I would be going straight onto insulin) and told to test. Testing showed me that the carbs were pushing up my blood sugars so those carbs I cut out. So I was doing a mixture of the 2 ways people have had success. Low cal and low carb. At first I was disappointed and felt it wasn't working as next HbA1c was 50. Carrying on for another 3 months I think did work. I had reduced my BMI to 19.6 and my HbA1c to 33. I did then need to put some weight back on as I was showing signs of being malnourished. Yes my HbA1c has gone up but only to 35 so still happy with that. I am female and don't have other health issues and I'm late 60's. I do a lot of walking for exercise. I am not convinced that any one approach will work for everyone. I'm still learning and only 2 years into this so not sure if I will be able to keep it up long term.

Jamesuk9 · Jan 30, 2017

@Hiitsme thanks for that, congrats on your achievement, it motivates me to persevere, I'm 3 days into fasting right now and this evening my fasting level has dropped significantly so I may be making progress finally.

AndBreathe · Jan 30, 2017

phonic2k said:
What thread are you referring?
With regard to the excerise research was on removing fat stores to restore normal insulin function. It's seems to have worked for the moment with me, long term effects not sure.

With regards to exercise I read an article in the newspaper on a 67 year old man who said he cured his type 2 diabetes by joining a get fit programme that looks like PACE that keeps the heart rate up to burn fat( star jumps, running on spot, squats, etc), like what I do with biking, running etc, but less stressful and only lasts for 12 minutes.

Here's the news story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...says-intense-fit-routine-stunned-doctors.html

For some removing fat stores does indeed help in restoring normal insulin function, but more research needs to be done in this area.

I am referring to this thread, which is primarily referring to the Newcastle Diet, but has widened a bit.

The piece of work I refer to has concentrated on merely standing up. No walking or running around. The researchers comments were that the standing element uses the major muscle groups and that makes a marked difference, although anything more would be a bonus.

Bluetit1802 · Jan 30, 2017

I guess I was one of the lucky fat very old ladies (with no other health issues) that managed to lose over a third of my body weight within the first 12 months, and have maintained it now for over 2 years. For me it was easy. The weight just fell off, 1lb to 2lb a week, nice and gentle, slow but sure. It was down purely to portion control, 1200 calories and low carb.

I don't exercise other than 2 gentle dog walks a day, which I did beforehand, and housework, which I did beforehand. I can say hand on heart I have never been hungry, never had many cravings (a few, but nothing significant). My blood glucose is at normal non-diabetic levels, my FBG has never been higher than 6 since I started testing and is normally much lower than that, my BP is normal, and my lipid panel improved significantly. When I finished losing weight I increased my fats and protein to maintain. I've no idea how many calories I eat now. I enjoy all my meals, and can have treats without much of a problem. Christmas Day and New Years Eve (my birthday) I pigged out but still went to bed on low 5s and got up on low 5s, and no weight gain all holiday. And all that with no exercise .... it must be the frequent sitting and standing that does it.

I must add to the above that since November I have been skipping breakfast to see if that helped with a liver dump I get from a few minutes after getting up and testing throughout the morning. (I have never suffered overnight/dawn phenomenon) I just have a coffee with cream. It has worked. I no longer get that liver dump and am seeing 4s before lunch that I didn't used to.

bulkbiker · Jan 30, 2017

Jamesuk9 said:
@Hiitsme thanks for that, congrats on your achievement, it motivates me to persevere, I'm 3 days into fasting right now and this evening my fasting level has dropped significantly so I may be making progress finally.

Not sure if it will be the case with you but I usually get my lowest reading towards the end of the third day and then they go up a bit after. I put all the numbers in my blog on the forum.

Jamesuk9 · Jan 30, 2017

bulkbiker said:
Not sure if it will be the case with you but I usually get my lowest reading towards the end of the third day and then they go up a bit after. I put all the numbers in my blog on the forum.

Thanks I'll check it out. I've been around 6.5 for the whole 3 days until late this afternoon when it suddenly dropped. Been at 3.9 - 4.5 for 6 hours now. Completely unexpected.

bulkbiker · Jan 30, 2017

Jamesuk9 said:
Thanks I'll check it out. I've been around 6.5 for the whole 3 days until late this afternoon when it suddenly dropped. Been at 3.9 - 4.5 for 6 hours now. Completely unexpected.

but exactly what you want too especially if you not on any medication... well done..It took me nearly a year and my first 7 day fast to get under 4.

Jamesuk9 · Jan 30, 2017

bulkbiker said:
but exactly what you want too especially if you not on any medication... well done..It took me nearly a year and my first 7 day fast to get under 4.

Thanks, Im feeling quite positive right now. Hungry though to be honest, onwards and upwards I'll reevaluate in 24 hours and see if I can go any longer.

Mbaker · Jan 31, 2017

Jamesuk9 said:
Yes, I accept what you're saying, my daughter is morbidly obese and cannot lose weight either.

I am also guilty of believing that diabetes only happened to people who ate all the cakes and couldn't say no.....

We live and learn, especially when I expected to be the last person to ever have BS issues because of my stereotyping in the past.

I also find that most of the dietary advise and weight loss advise for diabetes isn't applicable to me as I can ill afford to lose any more weight now.

I did however get my BMI from 25 to 20 with 2 stone loss very quickly in about 4 weeks and have maintained it.

It has also only had negligible effect on my fasting levels.

So, I still look for answers and learn.

Quit I will never do.

Sometimes things that are typed are taken literally as emotion cannot be conveyed, of course it's not applicable to all and was never meant to come across that way.

It is however highly relevant to the majority, present company excluded.

Respect to you @Jamesuk9, often these views escalate for the worse and this has been ironed out well.

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

AndBreathe said:
Phonic, I'm conscious we're this thread is about diet, but I recently attended a meeting where the speaker was talking about exercise and diabetes. One of the astounding things they are finding is just how successful just standing up for 5 minutes every 30 minutes in in terms of blood glucose control. As the work is unplublished, as yet, and still an ongoing study, I won't quote the figures, but in ordinarily sedentary people it is marked. There is a growing belief amongst the study group that there is a correlation between sitting for protracted periods and the formation of visceral fat.

As I say, none of this is written up, except for the researchers own documentation ( study is being conducted under strict conditions), but hopefully we'll hear more about it soon.

Yes this is what I was speaking of earlier..

From what I read if you sit longer then 30 minutes your metabolism slows down by approximately 40%.. and apparently they are comparing sitting just as bad as smoking for health...

We are essentially animals and as so where given bodies to move...it is unnatural to sit all day.. add that with the ease of access for food.(mostly fake food at this point). That we done even expend energy to catch/hunt or gather it only compounds the situations..

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

phonic2k said:
From my own research and fact finding other a year, may diet and exercise was focused on burning visceral fat, and reason I spent 30-60 minutes a day sweating is that visceral fat responds well to regular endurance exercises, such as running, biking, rowing, swimming, that elevate your heart rate. As your body uses fat to fuel exercise, it’ll start using up your visceral stores. If you’re able, try it.

My mother was told my a specialist her pancreas is blocked and can't produce enough insulin due to fat 20+ years ago. After seeing how I changed and my results(like today 4.7(84) 2 hours after breakfast has motivated her, and she’s now losing weight by doing a little exercise each day and cutting out rubbish foods that the NHS say are fine to eat, and for the first time in 20 years she’s lowered her hba1c, and cut her medication. Her doctor would only advice her to take more medication to treat the symptoms, and not treat the cause.

I think another problem is how people view exercise..

I know when I'm obese it's hard for me to walk and that alone will bring me into a good heart rate.. that's all that's really necessary.. you don't nessecarily need to be running ect at a high pace.. people forget that being overweight is literally like carrying a (50lb in my case) weight in your back all day.

The reason weightlifting is preferred over cardio..

1. It burns surger

2. It makes your muscles more sensitive to insulin.. this allows your body to store glucose in the muscle instead of fat.

3.you can build more muscle. And having more muscle means you can eat more.. plus it make sure you look good.
And also makes loving life a lot easier.

4.its easier to lift weigh then to do cardio.

5. Aerobics are catabolic. Weightlifting is anbolic.

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

Lamont D said:
Anybody who has a high glucose level, high insulin levels and high insulin resistance, and if they are obese will be healthier if they lose weight!
It's how they get there!
It's not that easy, the brain is very difficult to persuade, to go without so called healthy foods!
Fasting is not easy, your natural instinct is to eat, with temptation only a few steps away.
I do know that some T2s should not fast and if you have a metabolic condition, it is highly unlikely to work!
Dieting will never work if you say that at the end you can eat normally, what is normal for you may be poison to me, and it probably is! Dieting has to be structured to give the dieter a chance of losing weight in a responsible fashion. Sudden dieting and fasting is not a lifestyle it is only a temporary measure
A change in education and learning how to get the best healthy for you and doing it the way that won't harm you is what is best!
Not one method, or two different types of adjustment to your diet will last and be sustainable!
In over fifteen years now, every diet, every dietary advice, every healthcare professional has said that I have to eat carbs!
I don't!
Exercise is so difficult for a lot of T2s on this forum, there are a lot of like myself of pensionable and above age, we can't do the strenuous stuff and it would be extremely stupid of them to even try!
You would be amazed how much difference gentle exercising will do if it is combined with a sensible low carb outlook. Walking will always help with blood sugar levels, swimming is really good for all over exercising.

If you don't know my story, misdiagnosed T2, nearly eighteen stone and very ill, because of my burdensome weight and high glucose levels, high insulin resistance and high insulin overshoot!
If I hadn't met my endocrinologist, I would now be dead!
I couldn't exercise properly because of the weight!
All I could do was walk!
All I ate was ultra low carb and reduced my insulin resistance, levels of glucose and insulin dropped, smaller portions, weight dropped!
Found out by default that my body doesn't like food!
So I use intermittent fasting and longer if I do!
I look after myself by continuing to walk and doing the work of two, my own and the household chores!
I am never hungry, I am never lethargic, I don't have mental problems which were prevalent when in my hypo hell era! My health is excellent!
I do what I have to do to be healthy!
I have been there, worn the t-shirt, and come out smiling!
I am not cured! It's impossible for me, as it is for many T2s, there is no cure for them even if they tried everything, and I mean everything!
Control of their blood glucose levels is the best they can achieve, to stave off the dreaded outcome of uncontrollable diabetes!
There is no magic pill, no magic cure, what there is, is a healthier future!

Fasting works for me, it might not work for most!
Weight lifting will be probably work as part of a lifestyle that is designed towards a low carb lifestyle, how I don't know!

But, the bottom line is that it is not a guarantee of curing your condition!

You do have to find your own personal lifestyle choices!

By the way, a lot of bariatric surgery patients, do suffer what they call a rebound effect on their blood glucose levels, it is a condition that has a similarity with RH!

That's why I recommend the lifting weights.. you can even use machines if nessacary.. start off lights andni work your way up..

Even if a person has gotten fat enough that they can walk.. they would still be able to pick up a light dumbells and do exercises.

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

serenity648 said:
You do realise that fasting is a severe calorie restriction which messes up some people metabolism, dont you?

That is a myth.. any google search will show you that you don't enter the dreaded starvation mode until your fat stores have been close to eliminated...

It was found that metabolism increases 8-10 percent for the first 2-4 days of a fast..

The only way to slow your metabolism is to

1. lose muscle mass.
2. Be sedentary..

Now when you go on a low calorie diet and don't exercise that would convince your body to reduce your muscle mass ... and THAT is how you wreck your metabolism.

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

douglas99 said:
I think it only works for T2, I don't think he suggested you should do it if you're not?
It is posted on the type 2 forum, so it's not really applicable to other forums I would have thought?
Although I could understand your indignation if he had posted on there as a type 2, or not, and told you what could and couldn't work for us, rather than for you.

Thank you...
That's is exactly why I posted in t2d and not any other forum...

Obviously if a person has some other issues then this isn't for them.

Perfect example..somebody with gestational diabetes... NOBODY would recommenrd a starvation diet..
They have a growing fetus in them. Lol

Or someone with type1 even.. this doesn't apply to them.

Lol thanks again for pointing that out.

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

Mep said:
Ok, trying to catch up on this thread... so why do we have an OP who started this thread claiming they have found a cure for diabetes when they've said they're not even diabetic? A bit of a worry.... refers to themselves as a lazy bodybuilder. So does that mean the assumption is we're all lazy diabetics and that's why we're not cured? Rather presumptuous to come here in the first place if that is the case. Shame.

If you want to label yourself that way have fun..it's a free world

I referred to myself as something...
You are the person making asssumptions

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

loiphamp said:
How many people can reverse on this program ? Any body know

As far as the studies showed all the participants reversed there diabetic condition..

3 went back to being diabetic. After eating "normal" for 3 months .

Djstevesire · Jan 31, 2017

Jamesuk9 said:
Thanks, Im feeling quite positive right now. Hungry though to be honest, onwards and upwards I'll reevaluate in 24 hours and see if I can go any longer.

You can do it. Go for 7 days if possible..
Aminos and greens formulas don't have calories if you feel you need some sort of nutrition

Mep · Jan 31, 2017

Djstevesire said:
If you want to label yourself that way have fun..it's a free world

I referred to myself as something...
You are the person making asssumptions

No, not making assumptions about myself thank goodness. It's just the way I read your responses. But I'm wise enough to know what you've posted is just one of many ways people can control their diabetes. As for myself I no longer produce hardly any insulin and your study you posted doesn't include people like myself and many others on this forum.

phil1966 · Jan 31, 2017

Djstevesire said:
As far as the studies showed all the participants reversed there diabetic condition..

3 went back to being diabetic. After eating "normal" for 3 months .

You keep saying this, but again I think you're mistaking having a non-diabetic fasting blood reading as being the same as reversing diabetes, which it isn't
Reversing diabetes means you would have a normal response to carbs/sugar (e.g. A glucose tolerance test): I've seen no evidence that all the participants you claim were cured were tested with a glucose tolerance test: all you have presented is a graph of fasting blood glucose

I'm not saying it's not possible for some people with specific reasons for their diabetes to be able to reverse it, but it's a dangerous extrapolation to see a normal FBG and proclaim a cure

bulkbiker · Jan 31, 2017

phonic2k said:
Please excuse my ignorance if I sound silly for asking, but why would you ever want to the body to go below 4mmol/l? From my understanding the body regulates between 4mmol and 6mmol, and tries to maintain a mean blood glucose of 5.5mmol/l.

Really I have never seen that 5.5 figure can you tell me where it comes from?
When fasting my body stays between 3.5 and 5mmol/l.

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