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Thought I was being good...

cherrydarling_

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So I thought I'd be really, really good tonight for my dinner. I cooked everyone chicken burgers, chips, sweetcorn, coleslaw and not once did I swipe a chip or steal a spoonful of coleslaw. I then went in to cook my dinner, small roasted chicken fillet with 2 florets of broccoli, a tablespoon of sweetcorn and two tablespoons of lemon and thyme cous cous. Yay me, or so I thought. My levels before dinner were 10.1, I tested two hours after and my levels have gone up to 12.2 :bigtears: what am I doing wrong?? I thought this would be a good, level friendly dinner :banghead:
 
There was only a rise of 2, so that is acceptable but only just!

Your problem was your starting point, which is too high. The higher you start the higher you will be at 2 hours.
When did you last eat and what were you 2 hours after that meal? Did you have any snacks/drinks in between?

Was there a coating on the chicken?
Both sweet corn and cous cous are high in carbs.
Did you look at the nutrition labels for the Total Carb content per 100g and then work out how many carbs you ate? That would be something I would always do in your shoes.
 
I would not have had the sweetcorn that is really high in carbs apart from that I would have eaten what you cooked for yourself I do eat cous cous sometimes but some don't and I would eat the coleslaw and a chicken burger without a roll
 
no problem with your meal. It was only 2 points higher than at the start, so its all good.

Once you start getting lower before meals readings, you post meal reading will come down too. It can take a while. But 2 points between the before and after reading is good.
 
There was only a rise of 2, so that is acceptable but only just!

Your problem was your starting point, which is too high. The higher you start the higher you will be at 2 hours.
When did you last eat and what were you 2 hours after that meal? Did you have any snacks/drinks in between?

Was there a coating on the chicken?
Both sweet corn and cous cous are high in carbs.
Did you look at the nutrition labels for the Total Carb content per 100g and then work out how many carbs you ate? That would be something I would always do in your shoes.
I last ate at 12, when I had some a small salad and ham. I couldn't test then as I'd ran out if strips, and the new ones didn't turn up til 3ish! But no snacking in between. Drinks mainly coffee with sweetners and diet lemonade. And no coating on chicken. I haven't got my head round working out carbs properly yet :sorry: but I'm trying (it's all new and scary!) So in future sweetcorn =bad cous cous=bad. I need to write a list and stick it in my kitchen, my memory is awful :)
 
So in future sweetcorn =bad cous cous=bad. I need to write a list and stick it in my kitchen, my memory is awful :)

not necessarily. your meal only put your blood sugars up 2 points, which is ok for a meal. there was no problem with the contents of your meal.

you only need to either cut down or avoid foods which make your blood sugars go up by more than that. Have you seen the post by @daisy1 giving advice on carbs and testing?

you only had a high reading because your pre-meal number was high. Once you have been counting carbs and testing for a few weeks your pre-meal number will be lower, and your post meal number will also be lower.
 
I last ate at 12, when I had some a small salad and ham. I couldn't test then as I'd ran out if strips, and the new ones didn't turn up til 3ish! But no snacking in between. Drinks mainly coffee with sweetners and diet lemonade. And no coating on chicken. I haven't got my head round working out carbs properly yet :sorry: but I'm trying (it's all new and scary!) So in future sweetcorn =bad cous cous=bad. I need to write a list and stick it in my kitchen, my memory is awful :)
from daisy1's post:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Me again: so its the difference between the pre-and post- meal numbers you need to watch. your figures were within these changes of around 3 points, although I prefer to keep within 2 point before and after meals if i can.
 
I last ate at 12, when I had some a small salad and ham. I couldn't test then as I'd ran out if strips, and the new ones didn't turn up til 3ish! But no snacking in between. Drinks mainly coffee with sweetners and diet lemonade. And no coating on chicken. I haven't got my head round working out carbs properly yet :sorry: but I'm trying (it's all new and scary!) So in future sweetcorn =bad cous cous=bad. I need to write a list and stick it in my kitchen, my memory is awful :)

Maybe miss out the diet lemonade too. I drink roughly 2 litres of very diluted Robinsons no sugar a day...you need to keep the fluid intake up too. Cous cous...just view it like rice. A reasonable way to start getting used to the carb situation is to remember that carbohydrates turn to sugar in the blood and so you want to avoid high carbs...apart from the obvious spuds, pasta, rice, bread, cereal...get used to looking at the labels (generally food that it 10g or below per 100g of product is considered low carb).
 
I’d recommend trying cauliflower rice as a rice/cous cous substitute. That said, I’d be happy with a rise of 2.

Well done for being so disciplined and not having a sneaky chip, your rise would have been much worse.

Take one day at a time and you will learn through trial and error what food works for you.
 
I'd have had the coleslaw rather than even a tiny bit of sweetcorn - it is a grain, and grains can seem to punch above their weight when it comes to elevating glucose. The couscous is a pasta, made with flour and semolina so I would not have eaten any of that.
Try such things as courgette, sweet pepper or mushrooms or cauliflower - or have all of them - nice and warming on a cold day.
I keep meaning to put a couple of shopping lists on my blog to see if that is any help - I am not sure if there is one already on the forum in the low carb area, I'd better check.
Personally I prefer to have some juicy chicken thighs roasted so the skin is crispy, rather than breast fillets - or beef burgers - I get the quarter pound ones from Lidl and cook them with onions - then eat them with half a steamed cauliflower - it is an excellent low carb vege.
 
dont get to heavy on yourself get the carb and calorie counter book.it shows portion sizes for example sweet corn a 1/5 of a plate or 40grams is only 6 however a full plate or 160g is 22. so a small serving is not terrible. couscous is worse 45grames is a very small serving is 12 carbs a more realistic amount between 110-175 grams or 1/2 a plate to late full is between 30-48 carbs. so you really need to know portion control.
 
So I thought I'd be really, really good tonight for my dinner. I cooked everyone chicken burgers, chips, sweetcorn, coleslaw and not once did I swipe a chip or steal a spoonful of coleslaw. I then went in to cook my dinner, small roasted chicken fillet with 2 florets of broccoli, a tablespoon of sweetcorn and two tablespoons of lemon and thyme cous cous. Yay me, or so I thought. My levels before dinner were 10.1, I tested two hours after and my levels have gone up to 12.2 :bigtears: what am I doing wrong?? I thought this would be a good, level friendly dinner :banghead:
Have you looked at this site: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/foods ?

Is 10.1 usual for you before a meal?

You will be able to get a better picture of what is going on when you are able to test for a whole day, starting with your fasting level on rising. If you can bear to use lots of strips, just this once, it would be a good idea to test as follows: On rising before consuming anything; just before breakfast (you may be able to do these two in one) ; 1 hour after breakfast ; 2 hours after breakfast; 3 hours after breakfast ; just before lunch ; 1 hour after lunch ; 2 hours after lunch ; 3 hours after lunch ; just before dinner ; 1 hour after ; 2 hours after ; 3 hours after ; bedtime. The thinking behind this is that your peak bg reading can come at any time between 1 and 2 hours after eating, but also later. The reason you recorded a very small rise from 10.1 before to 12.2 after dinner could just be because your bg did not rise to its max til later, or indeed because it rose and fell rather quickly, so that by 2 hours it was well on its way down. The reason I suggest doing 1, 2 and 3 hour post prandial tests for each meal of one day is that some people experience delayed stomach emptying and it tends to happen irregularly and unpredictably.

I myself seem to have a problem with delayed stomach emptying (gastro-paresis) which can actually be caused by diabetes, and can sometimes be slowly cured by keeping the bg low and stable. This has meant that for quite a while I was seeing very good 1 hour numbers, with a very small rise, or none, or even a fall, followed by a rise at 2 hours. Of course they were not really good numbers, it was just that my bg had not yet started to rise. When I understood what was probably going on I stopped testing at 1 hour and instead tested at 2 & 3 hours. Now I am again doing a few tests at 1 hour just to see if this pattern is persisting.

I hope this helps and is not just confusing and discouraging!
 
So I thought I'd be really, really good tonight for my dinner. I cooked everyone chicken burgers, chips, sweetcorn, coleslaw and not once did I swipe a chip or steal a spoonful of coleslaw. I then went in to cook my dinner, small roasted chicken fillet with 2 florets of broccoli, a tablespoon of sweetcorn and two tablespoons of lemon and thyme cous cous. Yay me, or so I thought. My levels before dinner were 10.1, I tested two hours after and my levels have gone up to 12.2 :bigtears: what am I doing wrong?? I thought this would be a good, level friendly dinner :banghead:
I can't tell you how many times I have thought I was "being really really good" only to find out that there are carbs concealed in edibles I'd never have suspected of harbouring them. I'm still learning!
 
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BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 259,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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