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To statin or not?

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by KTNIC, Nov 15, 2019.

  1. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    Since finding an article on the BMJ Open site which matched age at death to LDL levels, and found that the higher the higher for significant numbers of people - I find it difficult to understand why there is such an emphasis for lowering cholesterol for older people.
    Combined with my personal experience of a few weeks taking Atorvastatin and Metformin, when I thought my options were a care home or suicide, I would say if my risk of sudden death is higher now, so be it, whilst I am alive, I wish to live.
     
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  2. KTNIC

    KTNIC · Active Member

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    Thanks. I have been trying to follow a lower carb diet. Nothing drastic & shock horror I have the occasional wrap! Where do I find out about ‘trigs low in comparison to my HD’. I asked about diet this morning, didn’t know! But I think I have a grandson older than him! And my diabetic nurse could do with following her own advice!!
     
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  3. micktodd53

    micktodd53 Type 2 · Member

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    All i can say is from my experience having had high cholesterol and now having a score of 2.5 they seem to work for me if i sat and read all the stories about them im sure i also would be skeptical about taking them it really is all about choice i think like me a lot of people dont realize how bad this illness can be
     
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  4. therower

    therower Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    @porl69 . Your 20 yrs on statins is 20 yrs real time experience and provides proof of the drugs benefits.
    Much more to learn from you than a few years reading up on statins.
     
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  5. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi. Forget the QRisk thing as I think it's rubbish. Ignore total cholesterol figures but note your various lipids ratios and use those to decide whether you might need statins. Ask your GP for a full lipids panel at you next blood test if that hasn't been done.
     
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  6. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. Careless typo! Both HDL and triglycerides are usually on a standard lipid panel.
    Diet wise eating less carb will bring triglycerides down if you find out you have a less than ideal ratio.
    HDL will often rise when you eat high fat/low carb however so may your LDL. Many of us do not believe the latter is a problem.
    Not surprised your GP doesn't know about nutrition as they don't get taught much even though it is arguably much more effective in chronic disease prevention and cure than pills!
    Grateful patients overfeed nurses!
     
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  7. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Errr no.. it shows nothing of the sort
     
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  8. therower

    therower Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I didn’t say it “ shows “.
    I said it provides proof.
     
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  9. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    My goto GP recommended statins at our first appointment. I didn’t take him up on his offer. A year later my blood sugar levels had radically improved along with blood pressure and weight. He hasn’t mentioned statins since. Good GP though and right behind the low carb approach.
     
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  10. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, it provides proof - as if any further were needed - that these drugs are effective at lowering serum cholesterol. Nothing else.
     
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  11. therower

    therower Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    And if lowering serum cholesterol is your goal then you’ve hit upon a winner. The statins work.
     
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  12. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. But you didn't say they worked, you said "benefits". The benefits of doing so are a matter of fierce debate.
     
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  13. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    No proof whatsoever.. it simply shows that so far as we know statins have apparently caused no harm to @porl69 ...yet.
    And that his cholesterol has come down.. the debate about whether this is beneficial or not is still ongoing.
     
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  14. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    You also said "benefits"
     
  15. KTNIC

    KTNIC · Active Member

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    Calm down , we are all allowed our opinion and we are all different! X
     
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  16. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    I have often mulled over what might have led my GP to offer me statins. He didnt whip LCHF out of his locker initially. My theory is that offering a pill is so much simpler than offering a lchf dietary solution (for the doc that is ).
     
  17. smc4761

    smc4761 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I am with @porl69 on this one. Like him I have been on statins for around 20 years. I have checked back on my medical records via My Diabetes My Way which shows my cholestorol levels during that period. Prior to taking the statins my levels were very high. Since taking them levels have come right down and most importantly stayed down They have been a consistent level for years.

    So @bulkbiker could you perhaps give us the benefit of your wisdom as to why this is not proof. I would have thought that 20 years worth of my records is pretty conclusive proof that statins work
     
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  18. therower

    therower Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    @bulkbiker @Jim Lahey . I’m not debating, I am merely saying what I believe to be true and in my opinion correct.
    If you don’t like my opinions for whatever reasons then perhaps you should leave the thread.;)
     
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  19. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Very true, but proof is only a matter of opinion when there is none. If people want to use words like “proof” then that’s fine, but they can reasonably expect their comments to be scrutinised :pompous:
     
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  20. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Proof of what?

    @therower claimed "proof of the drugs benefits"(sic)

    Statins lower cholesterol .. that seems to be fairly well agreed.. whether that is beneficial or not will depend entirely on whether you believe elevated cholesterol "causes" heart disease or doesn't.

    I'm firmly in the latter camp and have posted a thread with all the evidence for my thoughts as post 2 on the thread.
    If you have time to trawl through it then you may find some things that are new.

    That many seem happy to think that LDL and HDL are "cholesterol" shows a lack of basic understanding of the mechanics. But hey what does 3 years of reading lead to?
     
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