I’ve said this before. I worry about the message of low carb with out increasing fat. It doesn’t have to be by much. I think it’s setting people up for failure if the the higher fat part of the LCHF way of eating gets left out.Lower carb but not high fat apparently. He's playing a very 'safe' game which is why I say he needs to get off the fence because he is in danger (?) of contradicting himself.
I’ve said this before. I worry about the message of low carb with out increasing fat. It doesn’t have to be by much. I think it’s setting people up for failure if the the higher fat part of the LCHF way of eating gets left out.
Thanks!I edited my comment to add his view on sat fat in his own words.
And I suspect he'd say something different if you spoke to him off the record. Note that when Dr Xand Van Tuliken did The Truth About Carbs, he did not dare tackle the 'fat elephant; in the room so I believe its the Beeb that is playing it safe because of the nature of the programme (public health advice and not a controversial discussion topic).Lower carb but not high fat apparently. He's playing a very 'safe' game which is why I say he needs to get off the fence because he is in danger (?) of contradicting himself.
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I give you an excerpt of Dr. Moseley's book 'The 8-week blood sugar diet recipe book'.
PP 13.
"6. Enjoy your dairy products and eat more healthy fats and oils. Until recently full fat dairy products were shunned because of a misguided fear that they are bad for you. In 2014 a systematic review by the British Heart Foundation* which looked at the results of nearly 80 studies involving more than half a million people found no evidence that eating saturated fats leads to a greater risk of heart disease. In fact, they found that people with higher levels in their blood of a particular saturated fat called called margaric acid ( the sort you get in milk and dairy products) had a lower risk of heart disease. These days I encourage people to consume more fats such as olive oil, yoghurt, cheese, nuts, prawns, avocados and coconut milk. They make food taste better. They are an excellent source of slow burn energy. And, although gram for gram they are higher in calories than carbs , they keep you full for longer. Adding fat to starch food (butter to potatoes, for example), will actually slow the rate at which the starch is broken down into sugars and absorbed. Eating healthy oils also improves the absorption of the essential fat-soluble vitamins (A,D, E and K)."
*Association of dietary, circulating and supplement fatty acids with coronary risk http://annals.
And I suspect he'd say something different if you spoke to him off the record. Note that when Dr Xand Van Tuliken did The Truth About Carbs, he did not dare tackle the 'fat elephant; in the room so I believe its the Beeb that is playing it safe because of the nature of the programme (public health advice and not a controversial discussion topic).
The mainstream is shifting away from low fat and is comfy with 'healthy' fats from nuts and plants. But if they were to start saying that sat fat and particularly that from dairy may prevent diabetes or is correlated with a longer life span or doesn't always raise ldl (even if that did matter) it would be shooting a big hole in their own boat. Am hoping that Nina Techoliz will succeed in her campaign to get the USDA guidelines of 2020 to base their decision on the current science from which many other national guidelines may be changed.
It would be good if she can but I worry that science in Trump's USA might not be enough..<snipped> Am hoping that Nina Techoliz will succeed in her campaign to get the USDA guidelines of 2020 to base their decision on the current science from which many other national guidelines may be changed.
To be honest he's about as shifty off camera as he is on. @CherryAA and I had a chat with him at the PHC conference this year and he was definitely not a full on LCHF advocate... He seemed a bit lost and undecided (or if I wanted to be really mean he was looking for the next bandwagon to jump on!).And I suspect he'd say something different if you spoke to him off the record. Note that when Dr Xand Van Tuliken did The Truth About Carbs, he did not dare tackle the 'fat elephant; in the room so I believe its the Beeb that is playing it safe because of the nature of the programme (public health advice and not a controversial discussion topic).
The mainstream is shifting away from low fat and is comfy with 'healthy' fats from nuts and plants. But if they were to start saying that sat fat and particularly that from dairy may prevent diabetes or is correlated with a longer life span or doesn't always raise ldl (even if that did matter) it would be shooting a big hole in their own boat. Am hoping that Nina Techoliz will succeed in her campaign to get the USDA guidelines of 2020 to base their decision on the current science from which many other national guidelines may be changed.
To be honest he's about as shifty off camera as he is on. @CherryAA and I had a chat with him at the PHC conference this year and he was definitely not a full on LCHF advocate... He seemed a bit lost and undecided (or if I wanted to be really mean he was looking for the next bandwagon to jump on!).
You only have to watch one of those segments where he has two opposing "experts" discussing a controversial topic - he always ends up with a fence sitting cautious summary - very middle of the road about everything. I roll my eyes at a lot of the stuff on that show and like others gave up watching a while back.But he has a wide audience which is why I am irritated by this wishy washy flip flopping.
"Well, Scott, that's because it's lard with peas in it."
Surprisingly tasty, though!
So having interviewed two experts with opposing views, is he supposed to say something like "Expert A was clearlyYou only have to watch one of those segments where he has two opposing "experts" discussing a controversial topic - he always ends up with a fence sitting cautious summary - very middle of the road about everything. I roll my eyes at a lot of the stuff on that show and like others gave up watching a while back.
So having interviewed two experts with opposing views, is he supposed to say something like "Expert A was clearly
wrong". There would be no point in having the interview and the programme would be criticized for bias. He is a presenter and has to show balance. It is for the audience to make up their minds or would you rather be dictated to?
Apparently you always know better than the whole medical profession, the entire scientific academic community, all the scientists who put together all the diets for all the governments for all the major countries on all the continents, plus the WHO, so I am not surprised that you know better than the BBC and its 5 doctors on this occasion. but that does not entitle you to constantly belittle and scorn everyone who disagrees with your opinion.I'm surprised the Moderators don't step in more often.The "fatty" food they are given for the test is a croissant... ! no carbs involved there then.
@Tannith your lack of scepticism is quite astounding...
Since when have croissants been "junk" food.
Orange juice made things worse because of the sugar! so says the scientist but of course it has to be the fat.
The program has become a joke.
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Apart from your rather personal attack on me I see that you have no answer to any of the points I have made.Apparently you always know better than the whole medical profession, the entire scientific academic community, all the scientists who put together all the diets for all the governments for all the major countries on all the continents, plus the WHO, so I am not surprised that you know better than the BBC and its 5 doctors on this occasion. but that does not entitle you to constantly belittle and scorn everyone who disagrees with your opinion.I'm surprised the Moderators don't step in more often.
That no punishment, to be a good diabetic you should eat it together with a slightly soiled shredded mole skin hat!And I am betting that Keely Hawes will still be alive somewhere. Promise to eat a Mars Bar if she's not!
@bulkbiker does not claim to know more, he is very good at finding and linking studies and videos for us to make up our own minds. He is not posting, most of the time, with his own thoughts and ideas and conclusions.Apparently you always know better than the whole medical profession, the entire scientific academic community, all the scientists who put together all the diets for all the governments for all the major countries on all the continents, plus the WHO, so I am not surprised that you know better than the BBC and its 5 doctors on this occasion. but that does not entitle you to constantly belittle and scorn everyone who disagrees with your opinion.I'm surprised the Moderators don't step in more often.
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