Truth About Exercise

[Grazer]

Would running up and down the stairs at home work?

Sure would. I do my ten minutes of high intensity (well, highish!) on a machine and it's worth 2 mmols on my BG reading. By the way Choco, your new avatar looks like the scene outside my hotel bedroom window - just saying......

 

[chocoholicnomore]

Thanks Grazer. Am so jealous.
Hope you are having a great time. Been missing you.

Marina

 

[borofergie]

Thanks Grazer. Am so jealous.
Hope you are having a great time. Been missing you.

Just ignore him and make him enjoy his holiday without indulging in all this DUK nonsense.

I'm sure Mrs Grazer will thank us for it (or then again, maybe she enjoys the peace and quiet).

 

[Pneu]

I thought to myself it was quite on the forum the other day and then I notice Grazer was out of the country........

 

[Defren]

I'm like the cows tail, always behind, but found this program fascinating. I am like Viv, I can't walk far, nor stand. I do try to keep moving in my chair as much as I can. Foot circles, knee movements, shifting position and I do try to keep a good posture. Viv, you have piqued my interest about short bursts but building up to longer ones on an exercise bike. I have one in the shed that has not seen the light of day since I moved into this house, almost three and a half years ago. I think I might try small daily bursts. While I will never be able to do HIT I wonder if just small amounts of extra movement a day would help. I can't see it it hindering so long as I keep it gentle. This could be yet another way for me to help myself. I am so pleased I saw this thread and then watched the program on Iplayer.

 

[phoenix]

If you can manage a little bit of exercise on your exercise bike, great, every bit helps. Personally think that trying to to go flat out (at whatever level flat out is for you) isn't a good idea for anyone, but particularly for people who aren't normally very active.

the session used on the television wasn't quite as brief as it seemed since it included a warm up session.
After a brief warmup of gentle cycling (several minutes),
fast pedalling for 20sec
Cycle gently for 2 minutes
Cycle all-out again for 20 seconds, followed by 2 minutes of gentle cycling.
Repeat all-out cycling one more time.


The HIT session used in studies seem to include rather more intervals than the one shown on television.
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/high-int ... aining-you
The article mentions a study with people who have diabetes. It's a very tiny study; 7 people with D and just one session of exercise
The session:
one minute of intense (90% max heart rate) exercise,
minutes rest
repeat 10 times
I would estimate that with warm up/cool down it would take 25-30min

The researchers took continuous blood glucose readings for the 24 hours after this session .The subjects spent less time over 10mmol/l and had lower overall levels compared with a day when the subjects did no exercise. (not particularly surprising)

They're' selling' this as a way of getting over the time constraints that may stop people with D exercising... but once you've got yourself changed before and showered and changed afterwards ( and you would get sweaty ). I wonder, would it found to be any more effective than the same overall time walking at moderate pace?

 

[viviennem]

Defren, I think it's really worth giving it a go with your exercise bike. My version of a 20-second HIT burst is laughable in comparison to a thin, fit person's, but I am finding that my 15 minutes on the bike, with 3 wimpish 20-sec bursts evenly spaced within it, is really helping my leg muscles. Even getting up from gardening (I weed sitting down for as far as I can reach - even flat on my stomach sometimes :lol: ) is getting easier.

I'm trying to learn to fidget too .

Viv 8)

PS Thanks for the advice, CatherineCherub - I'm reluctant to push myself too hard because I think even my heart must need to re-train. I'm coming back down from 135bpm quite quickly (6 seconds?) which I hope is reasonably okay.

 

[Defren]

Defren, I think it's really worth giving it a go with your exercise bike. My version of a 20-second HIT burst is laughable in comparison to a thin, fit person's, but I am finding that my 15 minutes on the bike, with 3 wimpish 20-sec bursts evenly spaced within it, is really helping my leg muscles. Even getting up from gardening (I weed sitting down for as far as I can reach - even flat on my stomach sometimes :lol: ) is getting easier.

I'm trying to learn to fidget too .

Viv 8)

PS Thanks for the advice, CatherineCherub - I'm reluctant to push myself too hard because I think even my heart must need to re-train. I'm coming back down from 135bpm quite quickly (6 seconds?) which I hope is reasonably okay.

Oh dear Viv, I have a feeling we could laugh together :lol: Firstly I struggle to get on the darn bike, and then I can very gentle pedal for the shortest time. I do wonder if I did it daily, I could build it up. It wouldn't do any harm if I were very careful, and who knows, I may find a little more ease in my legs, that would be such a bonus. Now to try to get the thing out of the shed :mrgreen:

 

[Anonymous]

Defren, I think it's really worth giving it a go with your exercise bike. My version of a 20-second HIT burst is laughable in comparison to a thin, fit person's, but I am finding that my 15 minutes on the bike, with 3 wimpish 20-sec bursts evenly spaced within it, is really helping my leg muscles. Even getting up from gardening (I weed sitting down for as far as I can reach - even flat on my stomach sometimes :lol: ) is getting easier.

I'm trying to learn to fidget too .

Viv 8)

PS Thanks for the advice, CatherineCherub - I'm reluctant to push myself too hard because I think even my heart must need to re-train. I'm coming back down from 135bpm quite quickly (6 seconds?) which I hope is reasonably okay.

Oh dear Viv, I have a feeling we could laugh together :lol: Firstly I struggle to get on the darn bike, and then I can very gentle pedal for the shortest time. I do wonder if I did it daily, I could build it up. It wouldn't do any harm if I were very careful, and who knows, I may find a little more ease in my legs, that would be such a bonus. Now to try to get the thing out of the shed :mrgreen:

Defren. Have you seen that sort of bike thingy you can sit in your chair and pedal? That would be easier than a bike you have to climb on. You don`t need a broken neck on top of everything elsec :silent:

 

[Anonymous]

Like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Easy-Armchair ... 333wt_1163

 

[Defren]

Defren, I think it's really worth giving it a go with your exercise bike. My version of a 20-second HIT burst is laughable in comparison to a thin, fit person's, but I am finding that my 15 minutes on the bike, with 3 wimpish 20-sec bursts evenly spaced within it, is really helping my leg muscles. Even getting up from gardening (I weed sitting down for as far as I can reach - even flat on my stomach sometimes :lol: ) is getting easier.

I'm trying to learn to fidget too .

Viv 8)

PS Thanks for the advice, CatherineCherub - I'm reluctant to push myself too hard because I think even my heart must need to re-train. I'm coming back down from 135bpm quite quickly (6 seconds?) which I hope is reasonably okay.

Oh dear Viv, I have a feeling we could laugh together :lol: Firstly I struggle to get on the darn bike, and then I can very gentle pedal for the shortest time. I do wonder if I did it daily, I could build it up. It wouldn't do any harm if I were very careful, and who knows, I may find a little more ease in my legs, that would be such a bonus. Now to try to get the thing out of the shed :mrgreen:

Defren. Have you seen that sort of bike thingy you can sit in your chair and pedal? That would be easier than a bike you have to climb on. You don`t need a broken neck on top of everything elsec :silent:

Oh heck no, lets not add more to the mix :mrgreen: No, I haven't seen them, the only things I know about are the ab flex or some such contraption that you squeeze with you knees. I do need to be a little more mobile, so perhaps having to make an effort will help. The easy option is always my best friend :lol:

 

[phoenix]

Viv,
135bpm is definitely in the anaerobic zone for you, well done for coming down quickly. but take care.
http://www.dietandfitnessresources.co.u ... hart_w.htm

Defren, there are also recumbent exercise bikes that get over that problem but they take up quite a bit of room. ( I've just looked and there are also quite a lot on EBay, results of failed new year resolutions? )

 

[jopar]

I must admit that my walks, whether for pleasure on when patrolling 1 of 3 country park areas for work, are generally more pleasant when any dogs I meet are well behaved and on leads. While having muddy paw marks down my uniform work trousers is OK, getting muddy paw marks and claw scratches down bare legs when running in shorts or wearing other trousers in definitely not OK!

+1

I know it's only a minority of dog owners, but I run in parks and have to constantly deal with the dual threats of so-called "friendly" unleashed dogs assailing me and dog poo.

Well considering the size of our two dogs we have no option but to always walk them on leads when there are people about and we ALWAYS clear up after them.

I have German Shepherds (one is a cross) but they are off lead as much as possible I wouldn't put there leads on because people were about... Just call them back to my side, the only time I would will put them on lead on a countryside walk, if there's live stock around then I will use a long line, even though I've never had problems with them and live stock before.. Oh yes I also pick up after them, even if I'm in the middle of nowhere on the hills, it's picked up and transported home hanging on my tow bar..



When you own large dogs you very quickly find two things. First your dogs are always in the wrong even if it's some other unleashed and uncontrolled dog that has run over and is now hanging off your dogs face. Both our dogs react the same way to other dogs aggression which is to simply push the aggressor away and then sit on them until the other dog behaves itself.

Secondly you get two responses from people. Firstly you get the ones who love them so if we walk them into town we generally get stopped every 100 yards or so and patiently end up answering the same set of questions as the last person asked just a couple of minutes earlier. Secondly you get the ones who cross the road when they see them coming. Oh and the number of times we hear "you could put a saddle on that" is now beyond measure!

GSD's have a negative image with Joe Public, so a lot of negative remarks I've got a thick skin where insults are concerned, but when you try to attack my dog (Ellie been attacked twice now) it's my aggression you ned to be concerned about, Ellie won't respond but I will...



One of our closest friends in one of the UK top dog behaviourists. She says dogs get their most mental stimulation from just being allowed to walk and sniff things. It is a very stimulating activity for a dog and you will find that dogs who are allowed to do this natural doggie behaviour can arrive home just as tired out from all the mental processing as those dogs who are running around beserkly but of course they won't end up as super fit!

Dogs do like to run and chase balls and things but you need to be careful not to do it too much, especially if you have a large or powerful dog as the act of chasing is mentally putting the dog into "hunting" mode. Dogs can get psychologically addicted to the adrenalin rush they get from chasing things. It's when dogs are in this excited state from chasing or the similar state they get into if you wrestle with them that the hunting instinct can turn into something far more dangerous if its a powerful dog. Do you really want to be sharing your home with a super fit adrenalin addict?

Sorry but you've got your theory about 'hunting mode' wrong... Whether a problems will happen will be based on the dogs prey drive and whether they have been correctly socialised with other dogs not based on how much ball games or chase games they may play or not.... Even with a high prey dog you've got to train it to attack, unless it's got fear aggression when it will attack out of sheer fear.

Of course the majority of dogs are fine but the next time you hear on the news about a dog attacking a child or similar and having to be put down you'd be surprised how many of those dogs were just friendly everyday dogs who got out hand when they were being wrestled with or were in a very excited state from chasing things. The breed of dog also does not make as much difference as many people think.

Again wrong, most dogs attack out of fear, or that the human involved haven't left it alone when it gave all the warning signs, and even an perceived unprovoked attacked is often based around that several factors, owners actions stops the dog from giving the warnings or it's being touched at a painful spot.

The instinct a dog has to roll in things is to take an interesting smell back home with them so that they can savour it later and share it with other pack members. I positively encourage one of my dogs to have a good roll (obviously not in mud or poo!) as it relaxes her and keeps her calm both on her walks and back at home while she "processes" what she did on her walk.

Not all dogs roll, and it's more to do with masking their own smell than it is to do with taking him to enjoy latter.

If you go into someone's house or meet someones dog in the street and it starts to jump up and hassle you just turn your back on them and don't say a word. If you're in someones house and are sitting down if the dog is hassling you firmly push it away, don't say a word and don't make eye contact. Depending on the size of the dog you may need to stand up and firmly push it away. When and only when the dog has gone away and laid down call it over to you and calmly say hello, not too much and for only a very short time then send it away again. If you do that the dog will view you with respect. All the dog is doing when it hassles you is saying "Look at me I'm very important much more important than you so you'd better make a fuss of me now mere human"

Yes if a dog jumps up at you, best to pull your arms in, turn you back on them and ignore.. But if you are sitting then the last thing you should do is push them away from you as this is interacting with them, they will see this as a game... You just stand up and ignore them, if necessary turn your back on them.

 

[didie]

Again wrong, most dogs attack out of fear, or that the human involved haven't left it alone when it gave all the warning signs, and even an perceived unprovoked attacked is often based around that several factors, owners actions stops the dog from giving the warnings or it's being touched at a painful spot.

Well my daughter was attacked by a West Highland White when she was 4 years old in a completely unprovoked attack. She was just sitting. She didn't provoke the dog at all. I was there with her. My children were both taught from an early age never to fuss or provoke dogs. Her face was ripped open and she had to have plastic surgery and she still carries the scars at the age of 21 years old. It was an absolute nightmare rushing her to the Sick Kids Hospital with skin hanging off her face.

I have German Shepherds (one is a cross) but they are off lead as much as possible I wouldn't put there leads on because people were about... Just call them back to my side, the only time I would will put them on lead on a countryside walk, if there's live stock around then I will use a long line, even though I've never had problems with them and live stock before.. Oh yes I also pick up after them, even if I'm in the middle of nowhere on the hills, it's picked up and transported home hanging on my tow bar..

I do have dogs- 2 of them, two collie-crosses and I love them dearly and because of my daughter having been attacked I am very aware of the effect that dogs have on other people. I would never ever want either of my dogs to instill fear in other people, so when we are near people that we don't know and especially if there are children, they are on their leads.

I'll never forget the absolute terror of the dog attack on my daughter and having to drag the dog off her face. It was just one of the worst moments of my life and it made me very aware of the fact that all dogs are wild animals that share our homes. You might think you know your dog, but in fact no-one does really. A dog can just turn and snap. My dogs are fantastic, they are really well trained and totally loveable. They are respected and they have their space but do I trust them 100%? No I don't.

 

[Defren]

Defren, there are also recumbent exercise bikes that get over that problem but they take up quite a bit of room. ( I've just looked and there are also quite a lot on EBay, results of failed new year resolutions? )

Thank you for that Phoenix. I have a huge dining room so could accommodate a large machine. I think I will give my exercise bike a try first and see if I can manage it, before I invest on something else. I wonder if there is other equipment that would be useful?

 

[jopar]

Again wrong, most dogs attack out of fear, or that the human involved haven't left it alone when it gave all the warning signs, and even an perceived unprovoked attacked is often based around that several factors, owners actions stops the dog from giving the warnings or it's being touched at a painful spot.

Well my daughter was attacked by a West Highland White when she was 4 years old in a completely unprovoked attack. She was just sitting. She didn't provoke the dog at all. I was there with her. My children were both taught from an early age never to fuss or provoke dogs. Her face was ripped open and she had to have plastic surgery and she still carries the scars at the age of 21 years old. It was an absolute nightmare rushing her to the Sick Kids Hospital with skin hanging off her face.
You say that you daughter was just sitting there... She probably inadvertently challenged the dog as I suspect that she was looking straight at the dog which the dog would have seen as a challenge... A dog will either back down or protect itself by attacking. One of the reason children are susceptible to bites is partly due to they tend to be the right height to make a natural eye to eye contact with dogs and they may know not to touch but generally don't understand that a dog will see mere eye contact has a challenge.

I have German Shepherds (one is a cross) but they are off lead as much as possible I wouldn't put there leads on because people were about... Just call them back to my side, the only time I would will put them on lead on a countryside walk, if there's live stock around then I will use a long line, even though I've never had problems with them and live stock before.. Oh yes I also pick up after them, even if I'm in the middle of nowhere on the hills, it's picked up and transported home hanging on my tow bar..

I do have dogs- 2 of them, two collie-crosses and I love them dearly and because of my daughter having been attacked I am very aware of the effect that dogs have on other people. I would never ever want either of my dogs to instill fear in other people, so when we are near people that we don't know and especially if there are children, they are on their leads.

And a dog being on lead doesn't promote fear! My dogs are under my control so don't approach people or children unless invited to do so and with my permission, so unless I'm in particularly crowed area such as a beer garden I see no need to restrict their enjoyment with a lead.

I'll never forget the absolute terror of the dog attack on my daughter and having to drag the dog off her face. It was just one of the worst moments of my life and it made me very aware of the fact that all dogs are wild animals that share our homes. You might think you know your dog, but in fact no-one does really. A dog can just turn and snap. My dogs are fantastic, they are really well trained and totally loveable. They are respected and they have their space but do I trust them 100%? No I don't.

I actually do trust my dogs 100% But I still wouldn't leave a child unsupervised with them

A dog isn't a wild animal as it can't fend for itself in the wild... The problem with dogs is that they speak a different language to us and humans expect them to learn our language and don't bother to learn there's...

 

[viviennem]

Viv,
135bpm is definitely in the anaerobic zone for you, well done for coming down quickly. but take care.
http://www.dietandfitnessresources.co.u ... hart_w.htm

Defren, there are also recumbent exercise bikes that get over that problem but they take up quite a bit of room. ( I've just looked and there are also quite a lot on EBay, results of failed new year resolutions? )

Thanks, Phoenix - an interesting chart! I'll try to keep doing what I am doing.

Defren, I tried one of the pedal-things that you can do sitting on a chair - it was at totally the wrong angle for me and kept walking away on the carpet! :shock:

Our gym had a recumbent exercise bike and I loved it, but they got rid of it to make room for something more strenuous :roll: . I can only get on (and more impotantly, off :lol: ) the upright one by putting one of the small step-up thingies next to it to use as a mounting block. Now I've worked out the correct height of the seat I find it quite pleasant. I'm glad I'm not male - those seats are hard :shock:

Could you make space in the shed to use it there? Or would it be 'out of sight, out of mind'? I know that feeling :lol:

Viv 8)

 

[Unbeliever]

Your last sentence is so true Jopar. I was brought up in a family of animal lovers - always taking in strays etc and when I got my own home I continued the tradition.

My animals and those of my family were well - loved family members. We did everything we could for them as I am sure many others do.

Over time, I have become very conscious of he unintenional cruelty displayed towards animals . I often cringe to think of the hurt and harm i may have done myself through ignorance.

When you really statr to consider and study animal behaviour so much becomes clear to you. I wish I had known these things in my youth.
It hurts me to see animals punished for behaving naurally or given as presentds to children. I have known dogs to be killed by misplaced kindness too..
There should be some attempt to explain animal behaviourt o the general public and especially to pet owners or would be pet owners. This shouldn't be impossible.

 

[viviennem]

You are right about giving dogs to children, Unbeliever. Irish Wolfhounds are known for their gentleness, and in fact are deliberately bred for it, because people who don't know simply think "big dog = vicious". And it's true - a Wolfhound with the temperament of (for instance) some terriers would be a dangerous thing. An animal that can rip your throat out without taking its paws off the ground is not a good idea! The pups have to be trained from day one - having a big pup jump up at you may be 'cute' and affectionate, but when said pup is a year old and a 14-stone hooligan, it's a very different thing

There was one case a couple of decades ago of parents who bought a male Wolfhound to be (unknown to the breeder) a present for their 15 year old son. They were both working and they thought it would be a nice companion for him in the holidays! He and his friends managed to train it as a sort-of 'attack' dog by playing rough games with it. Eventually the family had to ask for help, and it was re-homed to a very experienced handler, but nothing could be done - the dog had to be destroyed. Whose fault was that?

I've had 5 Wolfhounds, all through the rescue trust that the breeders run (none was a cruelty case), and every single one of them would sit calmly while the vet checked and de-scaled their teeth. Yet I remember a woman with a Yorkshire Terrier saying to the veterinary nurse -"No, don't touch her, she'll bite you". They had to anaesthetise that dog, put it completely out, to have its teeth checked. If I'd had a Wolfhound like that, my dog would have been instantly destroyed.

Why do owners of small dogs allow them to get away with it? Why do many of them seem to think there's no need to train them if they can be picked up out of harm's way? What happened to the Westie that attacked your daughter, Didie?

When I was eight we had a Boxer ***** who didn't like toddlers at all. She never harmed one, because my Mum realised by her body language that she wouldn't tolerate much, so she was kept away from small children and the parents were warned to keep them away from her. On the other hand we had a Bloodhound who absolutely adored children. He ran away on the beach one morning and went home with the kids from the local orphanage!

I do think that there is a tiny percentage of dogs that are 'unbalanced' just as there is a tiny percentage of humans that are the same. All dogs are potentially dangerous - they are better armed than us! But IMHO generally an uncontrolled or vicious dog is made by its owner(s).

Viv 8)

 

[didie]

We have always had rescue dogs. They have all been part of our family and have all been treated with the greatest of care and respect. I am sure that the one thing we all have in common is that we want nothing but the best for our dogs.

The Westie that bit Heather was put down. It was a horrible sad time. It was the decision of the owner to have it put down with no pressure from us at all. We were too busy at the hospital where Heather was admitted for 4 days to worry about the dog. It was however an immense relief to hear it had been put down and that it wouldn't be able to bite again.

Viv, I am very envious of your endeavours on the exercise bike. I can't manage more than 5 minutes before my knees start to complain and I have to stop.