In order to clarify some confusion on Type 1.5 and Type 2 diabetes on Insulin that I referred to in two previous posting on the Forum the following might be of some interest.
Several years ago it was agreed that the current definitions of all the various shades of diabetes would be redefined. Several principle major groups were initially defined which included Type 1 and Type 2 groups, with each principle diabetic group being a further sub-divided within that principle group.
In theory individuals having Type 1 diabetes (Insulin dependent diabetes) no longer existed as they were now re-classified within the Type 1 Insulin Dependent Group as Type 1A diabetes (Autoimmune Diabetes) along with several others Insulin dependent types, notably Type 1B (Idiopathic Diabetes) and Type 1.5 Diabetes - The details are as follows:-
Type 1.5 - Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults (LADA)
Usually associated with older adults, Type 1.5 diabetes can be extremely difficult to diagnose and is frequently miss-diagnosed as being Type 2 diabetes. Latent Autoimmune Diabetes (LADA) is the principle name used to describe this particular subset though other names are sometimes coined. A typical diabetic in this specific group would have been someone who initially had diabetes of another type (usually Type 2), who’s general appearance is not considered to be overweight and also who, over a period of several years will have gone on to developed increased insulin resistance. Appropriate blood tests would show a range of antibodies (particularly GAD 65 antibodies) within their bloodstream, which are known to attack the beta cells of the pancreas resulting in a lowering or absence of pancreatic insulin production.
Type 1.5 diabetes is also referred to as ‘Slow Onset Type 1 diabetes’ which describes this diabetic condition much better than ‘Latent Autoimmune Diabetes’ but unfortunately further confusion has resulted as Type 1.5 diabetes has also been incorrectly referred to as being ‘Type 3’ diabetes or ‘Double diabetes’.
Type 2 diabetes (Non Insulin Dependent Diabetes) was also broken down into a number of sub-sets, the two common types grouped as follows:-.
Type 2 - (NIDDM) Non Insulin dependent diabetes Mellitus
Type 2 - (MODY) Maturity Onset Diabetes in the Young
A Type 2 diabetic on Insulin was also referred to and is defined as follows:-.
Type 2 diabetes and Insulin
In a number of instances, often after a lengthy time period usually of several years, there are occasions where a Type 2 diabetic (Non Insulin Dependent Diabetic) is unable by what ever means to obtain satisfactory overall control of their own blood glucose levels using either diet and/or oral diabetic medications. Unlike the common criteria for establishing Type 1.5 diabetes, these individuals are often average/overweight and show none of the defining Antibodies used as markers for Type 1.5 diabetes (notably GAD 65) within their bloodstream.
With such individuals, several factors including increased Insulin resistance will often mean that additional Insulin might have to be considered to supplement their own Insulin production, which in many cases may well be the result of tailing off as Pancreatic Beta cells gradually fail to meet the individual's Insulin demand.
Having to now resort to additional Insulin will now technically mean that they are now no longer classified as being Type 2 (NIDDM) but instead are classified within this specific group hovering somewhere between the two states of Type 2 (NIDDM) and Type 1.5 (LADA) Insulin Dependent)
I haven't posted any of the other diabetic groupings but for those interested there are many other types some of which are:-
Type 3 - Brain Related Diabetes (Recently Discovered) - Linked to Alzheimer and Dementia
Gestational Diabetes Melitus (GDM)
Pre-Diabetes
Diabetes Insipidus (Tasteless Diabetes)
Diabetes resulting from various hormone imbalances or another Medical condition
Also several other types of diabetes not commonly seen here in the U.K.
Sorry for such a long lengthy reply - Hope the explanation on Type 1.5 & Type 2 on Insulin is now a bit clearer
It is recommended that the terms "insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus" and "non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus" and their acronyms "IDDM" and "NIDDM" no longer be used. These terms have been confusing and frequently resulted in patients being classified based on treatment rather than on pathogenesis.
The slowly progressive form generally occurs in adults and is sometimes referred to as latent autoimmune diabetes in adults (LADA). Some patients, particularly children and adolescents, may present with ketoacidosis as the first manifestation of the disease (26). Others have modest fasting hyperglycaemia that can rapidly change to severe hyperglycaemia and/or ketoacidosis in the presence of infection or other stress. Still others, particularly adults, may retain residual beta-cell function, sufficient to prevent ketoacidosis, for many years (27). Individuals with this form of Type 1 diabetes often become dependent on insulin for survival eventually and are at risk for ketoacidosis (28). At this stage of the disease, there is little or no insulin secretion as manifested by low or undetectable levels of plasma C-peptide (29).
Markers of immune destruction, including islet cell autoantibodies, and/or autoantibodies to insulin, and autoantibodies to glutamic acid decarboxylase (GAD) are present in 85-90 % of individuals with Type 1 diabetes mellitus when fasting diabetic hyperglycaemia is initially detected
Nice idea Brian. Lots of great info there which makes a lot of sense and removes lots of questions and doubt.^ Maybe someone ought to start a new thread, e.g. "Classification/Types of Diabetes - Discussion/References" .
I have also found a very interesting web site.
This topic is also relevant in 2 other threads currently live: Is Diabetes a sugar intolerance and My Dr told me.
With a new thread running it would be straightforward to put links to it in the other threads (including this one, as the topic is hijacking it).
Maybe pin it somewhere too.
Mods ???
I am T2 controlled by diet & exercise and still trying to work out a long term plan for better control.
I understand that T2s will have a mixture of Beta cells depletion and reduced insulin sensitivity, obviously the ratio between the two will differ depending on the person and progression of the disease.
This morning, I measured my blood sugar an hour after (low carb) breakfast and it was 8, I then went on a 45 min bike ride and I measured it again and it was 5. With out the bike ride it would be 7 and drop to 6 3-4 hours later (this process happens much faster in the evening). My question is why did my BS drop?
Exercise has several effects on blood chemistry, lowering VLDL, increasing insulin sensitivity, lowering de novo lipogenesis, but there are many factors, how much exercise, how many times the subject exercises, how intense the exercise, how fit the subject is etc. As with many of these things, the body adapts to the new regime. There is a lot of research and many different observations made, this one for women during pregnancy:
"Significant declines in blood glucose level were observed during low- and moderate-intensity exercise compared to rest. These differences were gone by 45 min after exercise."
This one on High Intensity Training:
"With type 2 diabetes, a single session improved postprandial BG for 24 hours, while a 2-week program reduced the average BG by 13% at 48 to 72 hours after exercise and also increased GLUT4 by 369%."
The paper below discusses different exercise regimes:
The effects of changes in physical activity on major cardiovascular risk factors, hemodynamics, sympathetic function, and glucose utilization in man: a controlled study of four levels of activity.
NB. GLUT4 is the insulin-regulated glucose transporter found primarily in adipose tissues and striated muscle (skeletal and cardiac) that is responsible for insulin-regulated glucose transport into the cell.
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