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Type 1: Prescription fine

Discussion in 'Type 1 Diabetes' started by molivers73, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. DonnaC-T

    DonnaC-T Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Went to get a prescription earlier and there is now a sign up in the chemist warming people that they need to show their card, face fines etc
    They've also started writing the exemption number on every time x
     
  2. LittleGreyCat

    LittleGreyCat Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    This all looks like a bullying campaign.
    NHS should ask for proof of entitlement and a completed form if the certificate is out of date, and warn that there will be penalties for false claimants.

    This is just jobsworths bullying people into paying penalties.
    I think that they are unlikely to prosecute anyone as they are are on very shaky ground because the policy wasn't effectively policed.

    I would suggest that anyone who gets notice of a fine does not agree to anything until they have talked to their local Citizens Advice Bureau.
    If everyone refuses to pay then they are very unlikely to risk the adverse publicity.

    Cheers

    LGC
     
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  3. jackois

    jackois Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Jimski, would it be possible to send a scan or photo of a letter that states the amount of the fine (and how it is being collected) to INPUT Patient Advocacy on [email protected] ?

    If Jimski can't, could anyone else who has one do it?
     
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  4. CarbsRok

    CarbsRok Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure that's the right info as INPUT is for insulin pumps? @jackois
     
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  5. LittleGreyCat

    LittleGreyCat Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Write to your local MP - there's an election coming up.
    Write to the other candidates as well.

    Having said that:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-chemists-hand-free-medicine-thousands.html from 2013
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    Cheats are fleecing the NHS of at least £100 million a year by falsely claiming that they are entitled to free prescriptions.

    The Mail on Sunday has discovered that patients are simply walking into pharmacies and claiming they are on benefits or a low income – and a 'scandalously careless' checking system means few people are ever caught.

    Pharmacists told undercover reporters that it was ‘very, very rare’ for someone to be investigated – let alone fined – while one even appeared to condone abuse of the system.

    According to latest figures, prescription fraud costs the NHS £100 million – enough to pay for 4,000 extra nurses. A new report into the problem will be published later this summer, and experts believe that the figures could climb even higher.
    "
    and
    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...HuXAD4DHd4Xu1R7QIuMY6hw&bvm=bv.80642063,d.ZGU
    "Crackdown on prescription fraud saves NHS thousands"

    So this has been bubbling up for a while.
     
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  6. Jimski

    Jimski Type 1 · Member

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    Hi,

    Have just sent a redacted version to that email address.
     
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  7. tim2000s

    tim2000s Type 1 · Expert
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    I was going to say exactly the same as little grey cat. Given how easy it was to walk into a new pharmacy and claim to be exempt, it is no surprise that many were doing it who did not have a condition that allowed free prescriptions. Rather than moan that you've been caught, think more about how much is being saved as a result of this.
     
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  8. donnellysdogs

    donnellysdogs Type 1 · Master

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  9. Jimski

    Jimski Type 1 · Member

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    Hi Tim,

    I have no issue with what they are doing, it is only right. And I fully agree that it will save the NHS a huge amount of money to pay for other services. My main concern is that they are also targeting people who have a genuine case and have never tried to buck the system. I would say that it should be applied if you cannot show a valid exemption within 28 days or so.

    I also have an issue with the seemingly random nature of who they have targeted, and whether they intend to apply penalties historically for this.
     
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  10. tim2000s

    tim2000s Type 1 · Expert
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    I think it seems random because we see a small subset on a forum. I'd imagine it is rather less random than it appears. Those on here who have been hit are simply the unexpecting ones because they thought they were exempt and it turns out they hadn't done something they needed to. Sadly that's often how these things work and it is not picking on the unfortunate ones caught up who really ought not to be.
     
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  11. smidge

    smidge LADA · Well-Known Member

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    Yeh, except that if your prescription is for insulin, needles and BG test strips, there is a bl***y good chance you're diabetic and entitled to free prescriptions. It's mad to chase the obviously genuine cases for fines when you should be preventing fraudulent claims.

    Smidge
     
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  12. angelicbaby

    angelicbaby Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To be honest..... I wondered if this was in case the owner of the exemption certificate dies

    Not if you're a "health tourist".
     
  13. catherinecherub

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  14. tim2000s

    tim2000s Type 1 · Expert
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    Sadly, a computer set up to match scripts against names probably never checks the content and churns out fine letters in an automated fashion.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  15. phoenix

    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    That's a place where they could tighten up even for people from the EU. I have an EHIC card issued in France so I am entitled to care when visiting the UK but the UK can claim the money back from France
    I've had to go to NHS drop in centres twice in the last few years . Neither time have they wanted to take EHIC number so they can't have claimed from France for the costs of my 'treatment'. (I did pay the prescription charge though ).
    Here, a British tourist has to pay upfront , take the form with the EHIC card and all your bank details to the local health care office, get a reimbursement from them who will in turn claim from the UK ( for small amounts, I know people who haven't bothered !)
     
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  16. donnellysdogs

    donnellysdogs Type 1 · Master

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    Perhaps the exemption certificate process should be linked to diabetes.co.uk advice....

    I checked in with another long term standing T1 last night and he has a card, but thought it was for life. Fortunately his hasn't expired. I used to put mine in a drawer to be honest, never carried it with me for 25 years. Only since moving 2 years ago and going to different chemists that I bothered putting it in my wallet.

    I do think prescriptions and exemption advice should be a main topic for website...
     
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  17. VinnyJames

    VinnyJames Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I'm not on metformin but I get free ppi's
     
  18. Dillinger

    Dillinger Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I didn't have an exemption card for hundreds of years and then care of a thread just like this on here last year I got my GP to sign the form (which they'll have at the health centre) and now have a nasty white card.

    I've never ever been asked for the card before or after getting it and have always ticked the 'yes' box for medical exemption as so many other diabetics do. Technically that is wrong as whilst exempt from prescription charges I didn't until last year have a valid certificate.

    Just speak to your GPs next time you are in; there is no charge.

    For the OP get in touch with the people who issued the fine and dispute it whilst making sure you get an exemption certificate from your GP.

    Best

    Dillinger
     
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  19. Seriously_Sax1989

    Seriously_Sax1989 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    This is really interesting! Where do you get the form from?
     
  20. CarbsRok

    CarbsRok Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Your GP or a pharmacy will have one.
     
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