coby
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It's almost criminal that doctors refuse to see how wrong their advise is
It's almost criminal that doctors refuse to see how wrong their advise isBeing scared witless of going on insulin as my levels went to 116 as that’s what they wanted me on. I refused and asked for 3 months grace to try and bring them down. I got a month and I did lower it but they offered dapagliflozin to see if that would help further. I asked to be on it for a year only and went low carb into the bargain, much to the horror of the older nurse as she freaked at the fat intake, younger nurse was fine with it and gobsmacked at my weight loss in 12/13 weeks.
My year is up in November and we’ll see what they say. I’ll most likely have to say I do not consent again.
I discovered I could go down to 50g of carbs a day without a hypo. I can fast as long as I don’t take it or i hypo. I reported all of my findings to the GP and the yellow card.
Oh and I’ve no gallbladder either, removed 5/6 weeks ago and I’m still low carbing mostly under 75g a day.
I don’t mind needles per say but injecting daily is a no. Plus I saw what it did to my late mother. Her insulin was increased because she still ate from the eat well plate as it was called then. She never lost weight but gained snd it was the insulin that was doing it and all they did was increase it along with her other meds she took. She eventually died because of a diabetic coma that brought on a stroke. She was only 69.
Being scared witless of going on insulin as my levels went to 116 as that’s what they wanted me on. I refused and asked for 3 months grace to try and bring them down. I got a month and I did lower it but they offered dapagliflozin to see if that would help further. I asked to be on it for a year only and went low carb into the bargain, much to the horror of the older nurse as she freaked at the fat intake, younger nurse was fine with it and gobsmacked at my weight loss in 12/13 weeks
My year is up in November and we’ll see what they say. I’ll most likely have to say I do not consent again.
I discovered I could go down to 50g of carbs a day without a hypo. I can fast as long as I don’t take it or i hypo. I reported all of my findings to the GP and the yellow card.
Oh and I’ve no gallbladder either, removed 5/6 weeks ago and I’m still low carbing mostly under 75g a day.
I don’t mind needles per say but injecting daily is a no. Plus I saw what it did to my late mother. Her insulin was increased because she still ate from the eat well plate as it was called then. She never lost weight but gained snd it was the insulin that was doing it and all they did was increase it along with her other meds she took. She eventually died because of a diabetic coma that brought on a stroke. She was only 69.
It's almost criminal that doctors refuse to see how wrong their advise is
Cheer up, the UK is giving Australia nuclear submarines, so you get more food stuffs from us in payment. We have to pay the French back a shed load of money for contract breaking.We need the rest of the world to feed us, in the U.K.!
I've friends down south and the husband is getting sicker with his Type 2 and now his kidneys are bad. I have tried to tell them my story of how I lowered my numbers, and my chances of progression, explaining about low carbs. But they only listen to their GP, eat all the carb stuff that they 'think' is correct and is just so saddens me that nothing I say will persuade them to even try another way of eatingThere are some that don't follow the advice you are referring to.
But, there are many that just don't understand the science and how certain foods are not good for diabetes. And they don't get necessary training to justify the decisions made.
It's far too easy to read a medical book and NHS guidelines, than actually find out why you have diabetes. There are so many reasons why people get diabetes. And one size doesn't fit all.
Then there is money.
Then there is the politics.
Then there is the power behind it all, the agenda to help food growers and supermarkets.
Most of the world's population eat carbs, such as grains, rice, spuds and these countries are dependent on a cheap way of feeding the population.
We need the rest of the world to feed us, in the U.K.!
You can lead a horse to water... And then have your heart break into a thousand pieces when it won't drink. I'm so sorry. I think a lot of us have been in your shoes with this one, alas...I've friends down south and the husband is getting sicker with his Type 2 and now his kidneys are bad. I have tried to tell them my story of how I lowered my numbers, and my chances of progression, explaining about low carbs. But they only listen to their GP, eat all the carb stuff that they 'think' is correct and is just so saddens me that nothing I say will persuade them to even try another way of eating
I know. It's hard to stand by and see a friend get sicker. Makes me feel wretchedYou can lead a horse to water... And then have your heart break into a thousand pieces when it won't drink. I'm so sorry. I think a lot of us have been in your shoes with this one, alas...
It is a horrible situation to be in... This is another one of the reasons why I shout my T2 from the Facebook rooftops... I've made progress and my friends and family have seen the difference in the meantime. Still I am asked why I don't just take a pill and eat what I like. And I come from a family where there's been quite a bit of amputation and death from T2, usually in people who "just took a pill and ate what they liked"... Change is slow in the coming. But right now, you are changing your own course, which is to be celebrated. And hopefully, and in time, your friends will think "Wait a sec, this isn't working... Maybe try a different tack!".I know. It's hard to stand by and see a friend get sicker. Makes me feel wretched
I agree. Its hard. : (I know. It's hard to stand by and see a friend get sicker. Makes me feel wretched
Cheer up, the UK is giving Australia nuclear submarines, so you get more food stuffs from us in payment. We have to pay the French back a shed load of money for contract breaking.
Plenty of all the types of meat, and all the other goodies to go with it, as Australia will probably not be allowed into New Zealand ports because of the nuclear bit.
You have got me there, what the heck is scouse?Give me a bowl of scouse any day! (Without the spuds!)
I am 'half scouse' so know the dishYou have got me there, what the heck is scouse?
I know I can google it but...
I had a English electrician working for me years ago, that said he learnt the trade at the treacle mines in the UK.We also have around here, jam buttie mines and recently discovered chip buttie mines!
A scouser is a person from Liverpool. And the accent is called scouse.
Have you had an insulin blood test?
Have you had a c-peptide test or GAD?
I ask these questions because, of the way you describe you don't go hypo, if you eat low carb or fast. And you will if take the insulin? Am I right?
I take it, you have a specialist who removed your gallbladder, did you tell him about going hypo?
People go hypo when there is more insulin than necessary in your blood, which is completely different from T1. You probably have insulin resistance and the build up of unused insulin will build something akin to hyperinsulinaemia.
I hope I'm wrong, but this is how my endocrinologist diagnosed me. Going hypo, because of food, and when fasting (for days), I don't go hypo! My problem is I produce too much insulin on my secondary insulin response.
Oh yeah! My motivation is because of my period when I was really ill, and didn't know it, and if I am not careful, it could soon turn into a fatal condition.
No thanks!
I've been in my own hell for so long, and it just doesn't seem to be getting easier. My physical health is great, pity about everything else.
Keep safe
At a committee meeting the other night biscuits were being handed round. We are all 60+. At first everyone refused but then 4 out of 6 capitulated, and each of those 4 admitted to having a partner with T2 who wouldn't have hesitated and would have accepted on first offer, even though they have all been told to lower sugar intake.
While it was obvious there was an element of carb addiction going on in those present (they knew they shouldn't but did anyway), I was more horrified that none of the T2 partners were taking any notice of their T2 diabetes at all. All the partners had an awareness of low sugar, if not of low carb, but seemed to despair of their T2 partners lack of motivation.
It got me thinking, I know what motivates me (fear of losing what little sight I have, and having lost my sweet tooth through going cold turkey to low carb) but why do so many other diagnosed T2s do so little for themselves?
So, what motivates/motivated you to take control through diet, and to stick to it?
That reminds me. Just read this write up recently on another site.I know. It's hard to stand by and see a friend get sicker. Makes me feel wretched
When I was diagnosed, I wanted to keep eating the way I always had. I worked at a medical school and knew several doctors well enough to consult with them about what to do. They all told me the same thing with the same "non disclosure promise"They told me to stop eating carbohydrates and I would be fine. They also told me that they were not my doctor and they did not tell me this.
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