Type 2s What motivates you to control by diet?

Lamont D · Oct 8, 2021

Dollylolly said:
I’ve not had any of the above. Blood test for HBA1c oh and the fasting glucose test back in 2015 which was lucozade and sit for 2 hours. They don’t do that anymore. Well my surgery doesn’t

If I asked I’d get told no or why do I want that and are you doing Dr Google again. Very patronising.

50g no lower is when I’ve taken the meds and hypo’d and no meds if fasting as yup I hypo with the meds and the numbers are low as in under 3 and I feel really out of it. It then spirals of highs and lows all ruddy day. I’ve a good take on what’s happening these days with the meds and food. A sort of fine tuning if you like.

I hope it was a specialist that took the gallbladder out as it was on the NHS lol!! I was in a week before removal as I was fasted a lot for various things to be done to me. I had to remind them I wasn’t taken my diabetic medication if fasted and was told don’t be daft that can’t happen. Yeah for me it can so no thanks.

I was told they where the professionals and I went yeah and I’m the professional with this body as it’s mine and know it very well.

It's a pity that the oral glucose tolerance test wasn't longer because of what happens after two hours. And they still do the test, as it's part of a diagnosis.
I still can't get why you are on insulin?
I still get if you are not on meds etc, you cannot hypo. But I !#=+£ do!
But it's still diabetes, No it isn't, it's Hypoglycaemia, I have a hba1c and fasting levels that are normal. ***, I produce too much insulin.

My problem is food, carbs and sugars. Having lactose intolerance should have given the doctors a clue.

Hypoglycaemia is a condition, if hypos occur, there is a reason, unless you have another type of diabetes like LADA.

Ask for a referral.

coby · Oct 8, 2021

Lamont D said:
Scouse, is a huge pan of scouse, sorry stew, usually left overs and vegetables, roasted meat juices, like gravy. It is derived from the migrant Irish who decided to settle in Liverpool. And brought with them Irish stew with them.There are many combinations and the longer left in pan, a couple of days, then put on a simmering heat, will break down, to a thick stew. The thing about scouse is that it will last more than a couple of meals or even longer, cos you can add other or more ingredients and it will not spoil. Red cabbage and beetroot pickled is a popular side. And of course it doesn't have to be any form of meat, it can be vegan, or like mince, just carnivore.
A good bowl of scouse, will fill you, warm you up, put hairs on your chest and soak up the local brew afterwards.

We also have around here, jam buttie mines and recently discovered chip buttie mines!

A scouser is a person from Liverpool. And the accent is called scouse.

Yep. That's my daddy in a nutshell

Antje77 · Oct 8, 2021

Lamont D said:
But it's still diabetes, No it isn't, it's Hypoglycaemia, I have a hba1c and fasting levels that are normal. ***, I produce too much insulin.

The difference is that Dollylolly had an hba1c of 116, which is definitely diabetes. https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...to-control-by-diet.184306/page-2#post-2443115

Lamont D · Oct 8, 2021

Antje77 said:
The difference is that Dollylolly had an hba1c of 116, which is definitely diabetes. https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...to-control-by-diet.184306/page-2#post-2443115

I once had a very high hba1c levels, which was misdiagnosed in 2009 as T2.
I had the hba1c test after eating porridge for breakfast about 45 minutes before.

I know, it's not the same but unless the op gets the tests necessary for a true diagnosis. Being treated by insulin when you are going hypo, it is something!
Something is not right!

ickihun · Oct 9, 2021

My motivation was weight loss to be able get rid of insulin injections. I hv achieved that but still overweight. Hoping my next hba1c is good. Better than 49 would be fantastic. I'd reduce metformin for less digestive effects and aggravation to my IBS.
Now I need to lose weight to get rid of Metformin.
Not sure what I'll do once I get there though. Its taken forever, it feels. I could have made 5 children and onto the 6th in the same time. So far. Its been very labourious. However buying new clothes has been fun, for a change. Because I've been titrating insulin for soooo long I don't miss the injections. At first I missed the routine of Injecting but now with my new routine without Injecting it has already faded into a past memory. Thank god.
I keep having to pinch myself that it's real. No more insulin.

Controlling by diet alone is the next stage then.... controlling by having the new 'lifestyle choices'. Which obviously means something different to everybody. None diabetics I'm referring too.
The biggest question.. could anybody become type2 due to lifestyle choices?
I had diabetic symptoms at 6yrs old. Now 44yrs later I'm aiming at not being diabetic anymore/in remission.
That is my motivation.

Lamont D · Oct 9, 2021

Wow @ickihun, you have certainly been through it, I would assume that the cocktail of meds you are taking certainly don't help you. One Tablet could effect your others and make the situation worse, happened to me, the dosage of my anti depressants, negated the effects of the beta blocker. I am now on my third drug and that is working. I was on 150mg sertraline. And the 100g was a different brand to each other and the make up of both tablets were different. I stopped the 50g. Much better now.

Well, having been misdiagnosed with T2, before they found I was RH.
I have been told that if my lifestyle choices changed, I could become T2 with RH.
I'm not going there!

Hope your able to get your back sorted and enough painkillers to help you cope with the discomfort.

My wife is disabled and she has been getting morphine patches that are effective for 72 hours. Most surgeries are very reluctant to prescribe, because of the cost.

Best wishes.

zand · Oct 23, 2021

Another reason I want to stay diet controlled for as long as possible is that I want to avoid the surgery as much as possible. If I don't have medication then I don't need a medication review and I don't have some moody receptionist telling me I do have enough drugs to last till after my hols when the packet on my table clearly says I don't.

Mr_Pot · Oct 23, 2021

zand said:
Another reason I want to stay diet controlled for as long as possible is that I want to avoid the surgery as much as possible. If I don't have medication then I don't need a medication review and I don't have some moody receptionist telling me I do have enough drugs to last till after my hols when the packet on my table clearly says I don't.

Why not order your repeat prescriptions on-line? The NHS app is simple to use, has a section for notes like " I am going on holiday so need my prescription early" and bypasses any receptionist.

Tannith · Oct 23, 2021

ianf0ster said:
Yes you just reminded me of my initial motivation. When diagnosed, it was obvious to me that the low fat , 5 a day, eat lots of whole grains that my GP and the NHS advised hadn't done any good for me. While eating that way my weight had increased form lower end of normal BMI to slightly overweight, I'd had a 3x CAB and then Type 2. And all the GP and nurse said was to do more of the same!
So once I heard about low carb I was determined not to follow their dietary advice any more. But that satisfaction was short lived once my HbA1C, BMI and energy levels were back to how they should be.
The thing that still annoys me is that both GP and nurse say that what I have done is not something that other patients could do. - Well obviously since they don't bother to tell them its got about a 50% success rate and that without permanent weight loss or low carb medication alone is a one way street.
I'm sure it would cost less to provide a simple BG meter and enough test strips to find which foods to avoid rather than keep on with more and more meds like Glic and Insulin. Especially so since once on those a meter and test strips need to be provided in any case!

what is CAB?

zand · Oct 23, 2021

Mr_Pot said:
Why not order your repeat prescriptions on-line? The NHS app is simple to use, has a section for notes like " I am going on holiday so need my prescription early" and bypasses any receptionist.

I do. If only it was that simple here! If the evil gate keepers decide I am ordering them 2 days too early I get a phone call saying I can't have them yet and that I can come in the day after I get back from hols. Not ideal when you think you may have jet lag that day. Then there's the farcical medication review whereby the doc can have reviewed my meds but not actually marked it as a medication review...

DEBBIESCOTT · Oct 23, 2021

Mr_Pot said:
Why not order your repeat prescriptions on-line? The NHS app is simple to use, has a section for notes like " I am going on holiday so need my prescription early" and bypasses any receptionist.

Totally agree, NHS app is brilliant when it lets you log in, I have system online at gp surgery as a back up

Tannith · Oct 23, 2021

zand said:
I do. If only it was that simple here! If the evil gate keepers decide I am ordering them 2 days too early I get a phone call saying I can't have them yet and that I can come in the day after I get back from hols. Not ideal when you think you may have jet lag that day. Then there's the farcical medication review whereby the doc can have reviewed my meds but not actually marked it as a medication review...

That sort of thing is a real pain. Have you thought of trying a different online chemist? Mine is lloyds and I don't get much of that sort of trouble since I changed to them. In fact none so far.
Other than that , and reactions to drugs, I wonder why people choose low carb, which is quite a lot of effort, over drugs which you just swallow & forget about them. Either can lower blood sugars which reduces the dreaded complications of T2

ert · Oct 23, 2021

Riva_Roxaban said:
Cheer up, the UK is giving Australia nuclear submarines, so you get more food stuffs from us in payment. We have to pay the French back a shed load of money for contract breaking.

Plenty of all the types of meat, and all the other goodies to go with it, as Australia will probably not be allowed into New Zealand ports because of the nuclear bit.

Food is expensive in Australia and will be even more expensive to export to the UK. I can't believe the supermarket prices when I travel back home to Australia compared to here in the UK. Farmers like my dad (in Australia) won't accept less money for his cows so you can sell them cheap to the UK when Asia pays top dollar. Europe was a close, cheaper, high-quality source of food for the UK. Joining the EEA really is the only solution.

Even as a type 1, I'm motivated to control my diet to avoid complications that occur when you run your blood sugars out of the normal Hba1c range.

zand · Oct 23, 2021

Tannith said:
That sort of thing is a real pain. Have you thought of trying a different online chemist? Mine is lloyds and I don't get much of that sort of trouble since I changed to them. In fact none so far.
Other than that , and reactions to drugs, I wonder why people choose low carb, which is quite a lot of effort, over drugs which you just swallow & forget about them. Either can lower blood sugars which reduces the dreaded complications of T2

Well I low carb because I am healthier all round on it. As a t2 I am carb intolerant and that means they cause inflammation in my body. It's not just the BGs that low carbing helps. I get alot less arthritic and muscular pain when I low carb. I am also less lethargic and sleep better when I low carb.
I like metformin as it helps reduce insulin resistance and therefore helps me lose weight. However I am not taking it anymore as it depletes B12 and I had a B12 deficiency which can be dangerous.
As regards drugs v low carb, we need to remember that all drugs can have negative side effects and they sometimes only work for a certain amount of time. I am not classing insulin as a drug here, but as a T2 with IR I have too much already so to have more would be pointless.
Eating a low carb diet on the other hand provides great nutrition for my body. Plenty of fats which help my mobility and plenty of vitamins and minerals. Win, win then.

bulkbiker · Oct 23, 2021

Tannith said:
I wonder why people choose low carb, which is quite a lot of effort, over drugs which you just swallow & forget about them.

I wonder why people choose to starve themselves when they could just take the drugs...

but please remember that all drugs come with side effects which many of us would far rather avoid.

I fail to see why you find low carb "a lot of effort" when it is simply eating unprocessed freshly cooked food without stodge.

lucylocket61 · Oct 23, 2021

Tannith said:
I wonder why people choose low carb, which is quite a lot of effort,

no effort at all for me. I just upped my green leafy veg and protein and fats, and dropped the starches.

I see it as the same as dropping dairy if lactose intolerant. The benefits far outweight the negatives, I take no medication, so have no side effects to deal with. Plus my inflammation is lowered considerably, which helps my ME and neuralgia and asthma, so I dont need my blue inhaler hardly at all.

Tannith · Oct 23, 2021

bulkbiker said:
I wonder why people choose to starve themselves when they could just take the drugs...

but please remember that all drugs come with side effects which many of us would far rather avoid.

I fail to see why you find low carb "a lot of effort" when it is simply eating unprocessed freshly cooked food without stodge.

The weight loss diet does so much more than the low carb/drugs, which only lower BG. Whilst this is important in preventing complications, so I wouldn't knock it as a last resort, Low Carb only affects the symptom of diabetes, high BG, not the cause. If you put less sugar in your tea it will be less sweet. Same with your bloodstream. If you eat fewer carbs (sugars) you will obviously have lower HBA1c numbers. The substantial weight loss method (Now officially dubbed "Newcastle style approach" by it's backers, DUK), works by a completely different method and lowers BG by restoring the first and second phase insulin responses to near non diabetic levels in newly diagnose diabetics. This way the body lowers it's own glucose by itself, even if you eat 60% of your cals from carbs. Drugs like metformin won't do this either.

bulkbiker · Oct 23, 2021

Tannith said:
The weight loss diet does so much more than the low carb/drugs, which only lower BG. Whilst this is important in preventing complications, so I wouldn't knock it as a last resort, Low Carb only affects the symptom of diabetes, high BG, not the cause. If you put less sugar in your tea it will be less sweet. Same with your bloodstream. If you eat fewer carbs (sugars) you will obviously have lower HBA1c numbers. The substantial weight loss method (Now officially dubbed "Newcastle style approach" by it's backers, DUK), works by a completely different method and lowers BG by restoring the first and second phase insulin responses to near non diabetic levels in newly diagnose diabetics. This way the body lowers it's own glucose by itself, even if you eat 60% of your cals from carbs. Drugs like metformin won't do this either.

You might find this interesting whilst on your high carb diet..

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...prevent-cell-damage-hampered-by-excess-carbs/

bulkbiker · Oct 23, 2021

Tannith said:
The weight loss diet does so much more than the low carb/drugs, which only lower BG.

Incorrect
My low carb, no drugs regime has reversed my insulin resistance as well as putting T2 into remission so...

without any starvation
.

Tannith said:
Low Carb only affects the symptom of diabetes, high BG, not the cause.

Complete nonsense

Tannith said:
The substantial weight loss method (Now officially dubbed "Newcastle style approach" by it's backers, DUK), works by a completely different method and lowers BG by restoring the first and second phase insulin responses to near non diabetic levels in newly diagnose diabetics.

So my 100 pound weight loss won't work because I did it with low carb? More nonsense.

Jaylee · Oct 23, 2021

Hi,

I feel we can all agree that there have been many debates on the merits of certain diets elsewhere.
Staying on topic with this thread regarding what motivates the choice would be appreciated.

Not a discussion on scientific study & therory..

Thanx in advance.

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