Prediabetes Understanding

Rushey

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Hi,
I have been advised by my GP that my blood sugar levels fall into pre-diabetic. The first test in November 2017 was 5.9. So I immediately changed my diet as I weighed 83kg and I am only 5ft 2in. (obese) I am 53.

I weigh today 76.3kgs and I have just received the results of my latest test, its 6.3. Should I be worried.

My symptoms are as follows:-
Peeing loads
Extreme tiredness
I am suffering from acute depression and take sertaline
Always very hungry
The headaches are bad (my eyes were tested less than a year ago)
Can anyone help
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum. Could you clarify, were these the results from a finger tip test or a blood draw (HbA1c)? And have you been prescribed any meds for your Diabetes? This will help members to adviseyou.
Well done on the weight loss so far, how did you do it?
Tagging @daisy1 for a useful info pack for you and while you wait why not have a wander around the forum, ask as many questions as you like.

Oh, do you have a glucometer at home, are you testing your blood glucose levels?
 

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Is that an hba1c test?
If so 6.3% is still in the pre diabetic range and equates to 45.4 in the current system used in uk, your previous 5.9% equated to 41. In this system, 41-47 is classed as prediabetic and 48+ as diabetic. Continue adjusting your diet and losing weight to get hba1c lower will help prevent / delay any move into the diabetic range. Changes in blood sugar control ( as reflected by hba1c) can affect your eye sight as the shape of the lens is sensitive to the amount of sugar in the eye fluids which in turn relate to blood sugar levels.
Reducing the amount of high carbohydrate foods in your diet can help with weight loss and blood sugar control as can getting yourself a blood glucose testing meter and strips. If you are interested then there is a lot of advice that can be given by members of the site
 
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Rushey

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Hello and welcome to the forum. Could you clarify, were these the results from a finger tip test or a blood draw (HbA1c)? And have you been prescribed any meds for your Diabetes? This will help members to adviseyou.
Well done on the weight loss so far, how did you do it?
Tagging @daisy1 for a useful info pack for you and while you wait why not have a wander around the forum, ask as many questions as you like.

Oh, do you have a glucometer at home, are you testing your blood glucose levels?

Hi
It was a blood draw
Thanks
 

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No meds or meter

I would advise you to get a meter, that way you will be able to judge which foods you can tolerate in terms of carb amounts. Your Health Care Professionals may say it is unnecessary but the vast majority of people find them a godsend.
 

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I would advise you to get a meter, that way you will be able to judge which foods you can tolerate in terms of carb amounts. Your Health Care Professionals may say it is unnecessary but the vast majority of people find them a godsend.

Thank you so much
 

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Thank you so much

Its no bother at all. The meters to look at are the Tee2 and the Codefree. The Tee2, I think is free but the test strips are slightly more expensive than the Codefree. As it is the strips that cost then its wise to do your sums. I think it is possibly @Bluetit1802 who has some money off voucher codes and remember to click on Diabetes in the menu, that way you will not pay the tax. Good luck.
 

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Its no bother at all. The meters to look at are the Tee2 and the Codefree. The Tee2, I think is free but the test strips are slightly more expensive than the Codefree. As it is the strips that cost then its wise to do your sums. I think it is possibly @Bluetit1802 who has some money off voucher codes and remember to click on Diabetes in the menu, that way you will not pay the tax. Good luck.

The discount codes for Codefree strips are
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
 

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@Rushey

Hello Rushey and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

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When you say that you 'immediately changed your diet' can you tell us what you changed your diet from, and to?

It is possible that while your new diet achieved weight loss (well done, by the way!) it also affected your blood glucose.
 

Rushey

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When you say that you 'immediately changed your diet' can you tell us what you changed your diet from, and to?

It is possible that while your new diet achieved weight loss (well done, by the way!) it also affected your blood glucose.

Hi
Yes I stopped eating carbs no rice no potatoes no pasta no sugar no processed foods no red meat. No bread or bread products. The weight just dropped off. So now I cook everything from fresh green veg chicken fish
Cut out coffee and tea and only limited it to 1 mug per day. I don’t take sugar.
But I feel even more unwell and the glucose reading by the GP has gone up. I’m confused. As I was told if I did these things and exercise it would come down. My dad has diabetes and I’m 53. But my symptoms are still here. The fatigue is worse the frequent bathroom visits and headaches weight loss are still happening. I’m about to begin the NDPP and I’m hoping that will help me.
Thank you
 

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Hi,
Thanks for the description of what you are eating. :)
Sounds like you have reduced the carbs a lot. I can't see how you could be going far wrong - unless you have introduced a fair bit of fruit?

In view of your lowered carb intake, I wouldn't assume (as your doc probably is) that you are presenting with typical pre-D.
Keep asking for further investigations, especially if you are continuing to feel unwell.
Diabetes isn't the only condition that presents with feeling grotty and widdling, so keep pushing!

And - I know absolutely nothing on this subject - but have you checked the side effects of your medication? It is possible that they might be contributing to how you feel.
 

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Going low carb as you ave done can cause like feelings like flu whilst your body adjusts..

However if you add in a bit extra nutrition from healthy fats like some almonds, walnuts or a little but of cheese or similar this may give your brain and body a little but more nutrition of varying vitamins and minerals.

Also cutting out caffeine can really give headaches.. you need to replace this with water or some other liquid... otherwise you can dehydrate... although your body can get water from food, it is unlikely to be enough.

Other meds can cause side effects but I have assumed you have been on these a while.. if you havent, or doses changed etc then it is a good idea to check if any if them can contribute to the feelings you currently have.

As mentioned also, did your doc blood test your thyroid, iron, total blood count, b12 and vit d? If you are an online patient in England you can view the test results if your GP surgery has iffered those choices to patients. If not it would be worth a chat and asking for soecific tests to be done...
 
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Resurgam

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Do you not eat red meat for some reason?
It is perfectly acceptable for low carbing and it brings the added benefit of its own fat and useful minerals. I often put - for instance, steak, mushrooms and courgettes into the same large lidded frying pan and cook everything gently in the fats and juices which are produced.
For me the weight has dropped only when I began to see BG readings under 7 after meals, and now I see under 6mmol/l but that is after a year from diagnosis. I have not changed my diet, but my body now deals with things better. I am also a lot smaller - I seem to lose weight and size at different rates.
 
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NostalgicNeg

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Hi,
I have been advised by my GP that my blood sugar levels fall into pre-diabetic. The first test in November 2017 was 5.9. So I immediately changed my diet as I weighed 83kg and I am only 5ft 2in. (obese) I am 53.

I weigh today 76.3kgs and I have just received the results of my latest test, its 6.3. Should I be worried.

My symptoms are as follows:-
Peeing loads
Extreme tiredness
I am suffering from acute depression and take sertaline
Always very hungry
The headaches are bad (my eyes were tested less than a year ago)
Can anyone help
Hi,
I am new to this website and the forum. I too have been informed that I am prediabetic. Found out by text on Monday by GP -very distressing and depressing.
I am extremely tired all the time, but have lost my appetite, yet I could eat loads in one sitting -strange, I know.
I am sorry to hear about your depression: do you think the sertraline could be contributing to your exhaustion?

Sorry I'm not much help, but I wanted to respond to your thread and wish you all the best with this issue.
 
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