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<blockquote data-quote="AliB" data-source="post: 102617" data-attributes="member: 16907"><p>Ally sweetie. I know you think you know what is 'right', but I am in contact with a lot of people - and I mean a lot, who have Coeliac Disease and 'plain old' gluten intolerance. Unfortunately, whilst some do recover after dumping gluten, many don't. These people fall into a 'black hole' in the Medical World where no one knows why and no one knows how to help them.</p><p></p><p>In the Medical World there is a name for it - 'Refractory Sprue'. I am particularly in contact with many of those people. For them, dumping gluten is only part of a much more complex problem. Most cannot cope with carbohydrates very well at all, and also develop other intolerances to seemingly innocuous foods like say, tuna, and green veg...........or tomatoes, or potatoes, or eggs, or, well, anything. They may or may not also be Diabetic.</p><p></p><p>What typically happens is that they feel better for a little while after dumping gluten. They have replaced all those yummy gluten carbs with the not-quite-so-yummy gluten-free carbs and then start finding that they have developed problems with those. They try corn products and develop problems with those, they try soya products and develop problems with those. In the end, these poor desperate people don't know what to do. Having exhausted all the carb substitutes there is nothing left.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately life is never always straightforward. If all people with Coeliac and gluten intolerance got better from removing gluten life would be a breeze, but for them, it isn't. For me it wasn't. Many of these people have exhausted the Medical Professions' expertise. Many of them have spent a fortune with 'alternatives' with little to show for it.</p><p></p><p>Please don't accuse me of talking out of my backside.</p><p></p><p>Drinking milk does <em>not</em> prevent Osteoporosis. As a professional (I presume from your manner that you are a professional?), you ought to know that. The countries with the highest dairy consumption (Finland, Sweden, the United States and the UK) also have the highest incidence of Osteoporosis. My Mother drank milk all her life - it did not prevent her developing Osteoporosis. My friend has drunk milk all her life - she too has Osteoporosis. All those people out there who all their lives have faithfully followed the advice of the Medical Profession (and the Milk Marketing Board) and had their daily milk and who can't understand why they now have Osteoporosis! What good did that advice do them?</p><p></p><p>Yes, bones are made of calcium, but they are also made of a lot of other elements too. Excessive intake of calcium can actually contribute to Osteoporosis.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm" target="_blank">http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm</a></p><p></p><p>Many cultures throughout the World don't consume dairy at all. They get all the calcium they need from their food. There is actually as much calcium, should you need it, in a portion of broccoli as in a glass of milk.</p><p></p><p>If you are dairy intolerant, you are dairy intolerant. If it makes you ill, you can't have it. If you are gluten-intolerant, you are gluten-intolerant. If it makes you ill you can't have it. Having a Professional tell you not to be so stupid and that these foods are 'important' to your well-being is downright patronising. </p><p></p><p>Thousands of people are gluten and dairy intolerant yet they keep on eating and drinking it because nobody has told them otherwise and because they are told to eat their bread and drink their milk. And they, like I did, continue to suffer. I could have avoided all those years of digestive problems, IBS, restless legs and burning feet, etc., if only I had dumped them years ago. Might it have prevented the Diabetes too? I will never know.</p><p></p><p>There are hundreds of cultures throughout the World that don't consume either grains or dairy yet are a darn sight healthier than we are. There are cultures throughout the World that don't consume much, if any, carbohydrates yet they are fit and healthy.</p><p></p><p>I am in contact with hundreds of these people who have 'Refractory Sprue'. With no support forthcoming from any other source we help and support each other. By far the biggest success has come from removing all foods that contribute to the gut damage, namely the grains, starches, sugar and most dairy (except probiotic and cultured products). We have become 'Expert Patients'. There is little we don't know about Coeliac Disease and gluten-intolerance. What ever the 'experts' say - we are down in there at grass-roots level and we <em>know</em>.</p><p></p><p>Some diagnosed Coeliacs who have recovered on just a gluten-free diet seem to have a tendency to look down on those who haven't, or those with 'just' gluten-intolerance. But one thing that has been very interesting is that a proportion of those who initially ridiculed us, have pretty obviously, from some of their posts, quietly realised the benefit of removing the ****** carb-dense and often high-sugar and/or high-salt gluten-free rubbish from their diets and also now focus on good, wholesome, natural fresh foods. Their ridicule has dried up and they now respect what we are doing - because they can see that it works.</p><p></p><p>I diagnosed my gluten intolerance. Me (shock, horror!). After years of digestive issues and IBS and a culmination of horrendous stomach problems - awful, awful pain and running diarrhoea after being given Byetta for three months (by my Diabetic 'Specialist' - who it turns out should never have given it to me in the first place according to Eli Lilly) and a virtually collapsed digestion, I ended up in Hospital - twice, thinking I was dying! On neither occasion did they find anything 'obviously' wrong - not that they looked that hard.</p><p></p><p>Left to my own devices, my own research led to Coeliac and the gluten link. I then remembered my Mum's experience. Immediately I dumped the gluten, and within 5 hours the pain had gone and the diarrhoea had stopped, never to return. That was my 'whacky' test. I am just so glad that I wasn't just 4 weeks from dying before I figured it out............</p><p></p><p>Whilst removing it stopped those things, my collapsed digestion needed more work. Not even the gluten-free carbs helped so they had to go. I have spent the last 18 months rebuilding my digestion. Whilst still a work in progress, it is heaps better than it was 18 months ago, and in many ways better than it has been for years.</p><p></p><p>Do I have Coeliac Disease? I don't care whether I do or not. Biopsies can often make things worse so I'm not going down that road and the only thing I would get out of it is ****** gluten-free carbs so what's the point? I don't need a label to tell me I am gluten-intolerant. I only need to accidentally ingest some - that gives me all the information I need to know.</p><p></p><p>I am a highly intelligent, analyst with enough common sense to recognise common sense. No, I am not a 'qualified professional' nor do I claim to be one, but I do know what I am talking about. Most of the experiences that I, mine and many others I know have had at the hands of 'qualified professionals' have not filled us with confidence. You can only take so much bad advice from 'those who purport to know everything'. <em>As a result</em> I now question everything. I check and double-check. I read, absorb, cogitate, compare and draw my own conclusions based on hours of research.</p><p></p><p>What is dangerous is believing that what you are told by 'those who purport to know everything' is true. 'Lack of milk causes Osteoporosis', 'Fats cause high cholesterol', 'Diabetics should eat plenty of carbohydrate', 'Mercury - the second most toxic metal in the World is not a problem in your mouth', 'Thalidomide is perfectly safe'.......</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying for one minute that all professionals are wrong - many are genuinely very helpful and supportive - as far as their knowledge or constraints will let them, but finding them and getting good advice and help is a lottery - if you fall through the holes - you're on your own.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AliB, post: 102617, member: 16907"] Ally sweetie. I know you think you know what is 'right', but I am in contact with a lot of people - and I mean a lot, who have Coeliac Disease and 'plain old' gluten intolerance. Unfortunately, whilst some do recover after dumping gluten, many don't. These people fall into a 'black hole' in the Medical World where no one knows why and no one knows how to help them. In the Medical World there is a name for it - 'Refractory Sprue'. I am particularly in contact with many of those people. For them, dumping gluten is only part of a much more complex problem. Most cannot cope with carbohydrates very well at all, and also develop other intolerances to seemingly innocuous foods like say, tuna, and green veg...........or tomatoes, or potatoes, or eggs, or, well, anything. They may or may not also be Diabetic. What typically happens is that they feel better for a little while after dumping gluten. They have replaced all those yummy gluten carbs with the not-quite-so-yummy gluten-free carbs and then start finding that they have developed problems with those. They try corn products and develop problems with those, they try soya products and develop problems with those. In the end, these poor desperate people don't know what to do. Having exhausted all the carb substitutes there is nothing left. Unfortunately life is never always straightforward. If all people with Coeliac and gluten intolerance got better from removing gluten life would be a breeze, but for them, it isn't. For me it wasn't. Many of these people have exhausted the Medical Professions' expertise. Many of them have spent a fortune with 'alternatives' with little to show for it. Please don't accuse me of talking out of my backside. Drinking milk does [i]not[/i] prevent Osteoporosis. As a professional (I presume from your manner that you are a professional?), you ought to know that. The countries with the highest dairy consumption (Finland, Sweden, the United States and the UK) also have the highest incidence of Osteoporosis. My Mother drank milk all her life - it did not prevent her developing Osteoporosis. My friend has drunk milk all her life - she too has Osteoporosis. All those people out there who all their lives have faithfully followed the advice of the Medical Profession (and the Milk Marketing Board) and had their daily milk and who can't understand why they now have Osteoporosis! What good did that advice do them? Yes, bones are made of calcium, but they are also made of a lot of other elements too. Excessive intake of calcium can actually contribute to Osteoporosis. [url=http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm]http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm[/url] Many cultures throughout the World don't consume dairy at all. They get all the calcium they need from their food. There is actually as much calcium, should you need it, in a portion of broccoli as in a glass of milk. If you are dairy intolerant, you are dairy intolerant. If it makes you ill, you can't have it. If you are gluten-intolerant, you are gluten-intolerant. If it makes you ill you can't have it. Having a Professional tell you not to be so stupid and that these foods are 'important' to your well-being is downright patronising. Thousands of people are gluten and dairy intolerant yet they keep on eating and drinking it because nobody has told them otherwise and because they are told to eat their bread and drink their milk. And they, like I did, continue to suffer. I could have avoided all those years of digestive problems, IBS, restless legs and burning feet, etc., if only I had dumped them years ago. Might it have prevented the Diabetes too? I will never know. There are hundreds of cultures throughout the World that don't consume either grains or dairy yet are a darn sight healthier than we are. There are cultures throughout the World that don't consume much, if any, carbohydrates yet they are fit and healthy. I am in contact with hundreds of these people who have 'Refractory Sprue'. With no support forthcoming from any other source we help and support each other. By far the biggest success has come from removing all foods that contribute to the gut damage, namely the grains, starches, sugar and most dairy (except probiotic and cultured products). We have become 'Expert Patients'. There is little we don't know about Coeliac Disease and gluten-intolerance. What ever the 'experts' say - we are down in there at grass-roots level and we [i]know[/i]. Some diagnosed Coeliacs who have recovered on just a gluten-free diet seem to have a tendency to look down on those who haven't, or those with 'just' gluten-intolerance. But one thing that has been very interesting is that a proportion of those who initially ridiculed us, have pretty obviously, from some of their posts, quietly realised the benefit of removing the ****** carb-dense and often high-sugar and/or high-salt gluten-free rubbish from their diets and also now focus on good, wholesome, natural fresh foods. Their ridicule has dried up and they now respect what we are doing - because they can see that it works. I diagnosed my gluten intolerance. Me (shock, horror!). After years of digestive issues and IBS and a culmination of horrendous stomach problems - awful, awful pain and running diarrhoea after being given Byetta for three months (by my Diabetic 'Specialist' - who it turns out should never have given it to me in the first place according to Eli Lilly) and a virtually collapsed digestion, I ended up in Hospital - twice, thinking I was dying! On neither occasion did they find anything 'obviously' wrong - not that they looked that hard. Left to my own devices, my own research led to Coeliac and the gluten link. I then remembered my Mum's experience. Immediately I dumped the gluten, and within 5 hours the pain had gone and the diarrhoea had stopped, never to return. That was my 'whacky' test. I am just so glad that I wasn't just 4 weeks from dying before I figured it out............ Whilst removing it stopped those things, my collapsed digestion needed more work. Not even the gluten-free carbs helped so they had to go. I have spent the last 18 months rebuilding my digestion. Whilst still a work in progress, it is heaps better than it was 18 months ago, and in many ways better than it has been for years. Do I have Coeliac Disease? I don't care whether I do or not. Biopsies can often make things worse so I'm not going down that road and the only thing I would get out of it is ****** gluten-free carbs so what's the point? I don't need a label to tell me I am gluten-intolerant. I only need to accidentally ingest some - that gives me all the information I need to know. I am a highly intelligent, analyst with enough common sense to recognise common sense. No, I am not a 'qualified professional' nor do I claim to be one, but I do know what I am talking about. Most of the experiences that I, mine and many others I know have had at the hands of 'qualified professionals' have not filled us with confidence. You can only take so much bad advice from 'those who purport to know everything'. [i]As a result[/i] I now question everything. I check and double-check. I read, absorb, cogitate, compare and draw my own conclusions based on hours of research. What is dangerous is believing that what you are told by 'those who purport to know everything' is true. 'Lack of milk causes Osteoporosis', 'Fats cause high cholesterol', 'Diabetics should eat plenty of carbohydrate', 'Mercury - the second most toxic metal in the World is not a problem in your mouth', 'Thalidomide is perfectly safe'....... I'm not saying for one minute that all professionals are wrong - many are genuinely very helpful and supportive - as far as their knowledge or constraints will let them, but finding them and getting good advice and help is a lottery - if you fall through the holes - you're on your own. [/QUOTE]
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