ickihun
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I've lost morrisons protein bread. They no longer make it. I so miss my delicious egg on toast. White bread tastes stoggy to me now. Never mind its accumulative effect.
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We die. Seriously?!
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JoKalsbeek
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But do we need studies that tell us we die 4 to 14 years sooner than average because of complications due to high blood sugars (Dying early is a known fact doctors are well aware of, I'm sure), or do we need studies that actually give GP's , nurses and endo's the tools to help us not go down that path? I hate the idea that my contributions once upon a time, funded this. They could've been put to much better use. Just makes it clear to me I was right to stop my donations and put them to work elsewhere.
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Repeating research is commonly done to see whether results from a defined population are applicable to other populations e.g
international literature' (Dit komt overeen met wat er in de internationale literatuur wordt gevonden) which suggests that the authors might have being checking whether the situation in the Netherlands was the same as in other places in the world. I would say that it is quite important to establish that before spending money on interventions.
If it's any consolation, it looks like the research was just number-crunching published statistics which is something that is relatively cheap to do compared to research where subjects have to be recruited and monitored.
- nationality (e.g. American versus Dutch)
- gender
- age
- religion (e.g. results from studies done with Seventh Day Adventists)
- job (e.g. results from studies done with nurses)
- historical periods (e.g. the 1990s versus 2010s)
- etc.
- to check whether the original results were just due to chance
- to get hard numbers in order to budget for interventions
international literature' (Dit komt overeen met wat er in de internationale literatuur wordt gevonden) which suggests that the authors might have being checking whether the situation in the Netherlands was the same as in other places in the world. I would say that it is quite important to establish that before spending money on interventions.
If it's any consolation, it looks like the research was just number-crunching published statistics which is something that is relatively cheap to do compared to research where subjects have to be recruited and monitored.
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It just doesn't smell right for me, white bread is disgusting. I haven't tasted it for nearly a decade now.
ickihun
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I see. I understand too. Shame the trainee medics probably will not. Modern research is normally based on old research which isn't accurate or incomplete. However research is valuable but I understand your concerns with this piece of research/data. What is also concerning is their mentors will reinforce research is factually correct and its value complied completes their degree then further training. Degrees are often based on selected papers and marked accordingly.
ickihun
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I have about 3 slices in all since my bariatric surgery as its nutritional value isn't worth my small stomach space. High protein is the only way for me since restricting to low calorie diet through the Roux-en-y method. I need both.... and white bread is only eaten to enclose a sandwich contents when I've been offered it with no other option. Ironically a few years ago now though I was offered by an overworked A&E dept one winter.
After my recent gallbladder removal I was offered a proper meal. A bit tasteless but I was hungry. I ate protein first then had no room for mash nor dessert.
Lamont D
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I have about 3 slices in all since my bariatric surgery as its nutritional value isn't worth my small stomach space. High protein is the only way for me since restricting to low calorie diet through the Roux-en-y method. I need both.... and white bread is only eaten to enclose a sandwich contents when I've been offered it with no other option. Ironically a few years ago now though I was offered by an overworked A&E dept one winter.
After my recent gallbladder removal I was offered a proper meal. A bit tasteless but I was hungry. I ate protein first then had no room for mash nor dessert.
After my first eOGTT, when I went hypo (2.3), I was offered a packed sandwich, white bread with butter, cheese,(lactose intolerant), mayo (yuk) with salad,, probably with dressing on!
After my fasting test, I was offered nowt but carbs, including weetabix, toast, another sandwich. I went to the hospital restaurant and had a marvellous fry up!
In hospital for suspected appendectomy, they had nothing for me, a nurse brought a vegan sandwich which looked disgusting, I finally got the nurse to order a salad from a local mackies.
I have often told senior staff, especially on the diabetic ward that offering carbs is counterproductive, what they were giving diabetic patients to eat and drink was unbelievable.
Have you had any symptoms akin to RH since your procedure?
Stay safe.
DEBBIESCOTT
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I used to go to Morrisons just got that bread
I agree that there’s a lot of oversimplification going on as well as stereotyping about Type 2. The stereotype doesn’t cover all the young people now getting the disease, which is a fairly recent trend. The “two types” has to do with the two major etiologies by which most people become hyperglycemic. There are other ways that they know about but only two affect most patients.
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I've only skimmed the thread, but wasn't there a study a few years back which suggested that a T2 on Metformin was likely to live slightly longer than a non-diabetic?
I recall twinges of guilt about being in a better position than my partner.
I recall twinges of guilt about being in a better position than my partner.
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i believe the jury is still out on that one. Certainly there are many studies that Metformin increases longevity in those with certain conditions such as diabetes and cardio, but the claim that it improves beyond healthy members of the population is not yet demonstrated (presumably because normal people don't get prescribed Metformin?)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34421827
However, techies in Silicon valley disagree with me
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/23/met...tion-longevity-popular-in-silicon-valley.html
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ickihun
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Sorry I hadn't replied. Just saw this today. I fi hv a little RH so I strengthened my low carb eating and it backed off. I hv none at all now. My gallbladder removed just over a year ago but that operation was just over 3yrs ago now. I'm just under 15st when not swollen. I had a high risk back operation just days ago and my stomach swellings seem very nonexistent but I still need IBS meds. My left leg seems alive much more instantly from my back op. Right leg is worse but it's swollen from operation. My back not my leg. I'm fascinated as to how my leg problem will resolve. I'm watching this space. Still Standing on 2 crutches. I'm optimistic. As always.
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OMG @ickihun I can't describe how much I feel sorry for you!
Ok that being said, I do feel guilty for you cos I'm openly moaning about my hardships, and it has been tough but nothing compared to you. If I told you ,I know how hard it is, the wife is ok ish but her back is not getting better and the meds she is on means she can't do much.. But I haven't give up on her or me! I have to be there for her and do what ever is needed and I still have to look after my mental health and thank whoever up there that my physical health is good because of keto.
Please, don't let me beg for your determination to waver, it is too important to stop, for those kids and the rest of your tribe, to give in. Keep on trying and fighting and pushing, moaning at your doctors, don't give an inch, don't think it's okay, to stop, even using the crutches too help you get back on your feet. Don't stop, rest yes, but he positive about your future and your health, it's not about you, it's about everyone around you depending on your love, your happiness and your well being.
Enough, the weird wants a cuppa, up them stairs again, hope she doesn't want to eat yet!
sending my best wishes.
I knew you had a touch of RH, many moons ago! Ha!
Ok that being said, I do feel guilty for you cos I'm openly moaning about my hardships, and it has been tough but nothing compared to you. If I told you ,I know how hard it is, the wife is ok ish but her back is not getting better and the meds she is on means she can't do much.. But I haven't give up on her or me! I have to be there for her and do what ever is needed and I still have to look after my mental health and thank whoever up there that my physical health is good because of keto.
Please, don't let me beg for your determination to waver, it is too important to stop, for those kids and the rest of your tribe, to give in. Keep on trying and fighting and pushing, moaning at your doctors, don't give an inch, don't think it's okay, to stop, even using the crutches too help you get back on your feet. Don't stop, rest yes, but he positive about your future and your health, it's not about you, it's about everyone around you depending on your love, your happiness and your well being.
Enough, the weird wants a cuppa, up them stairs again, hope she doesn't want to eat yet!
sending my best wishes.
I knew you had a touch of RH, many moons ago! Ha!
Yes, the spine is the nerve distribution center and can in some cases be responsible for serious leg problems, as you know. I know too because a spine operation fixed my leg. Good luck to you.
ickihun
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Found an alternative but hugely more expensive and goes off very very quickly so frozen it goes per 2 slices per food bag.
ickihun
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Well left leg problem has gone. Hurray but right leg is worse. I just hope it's fixing with all the pain going on. I cannot rely on it at all. Electric shocks are still random but only when move.
ickihun
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I'm convinced like the elderly we can be written off too early.
However so far the NHS has helped me stay alive. I would hv been dead a long time ago. In fact a few times. So in my case diabetes has caused me a complication surrounding other health problems which in turn may cause my life expectancy to be 10years less than if I hadn't had diabetes.
What's developing is insulin resistance can cause obesity which causes other health problems so therefore I probably live longer if I didn't hv IR. IR is developed and unchecked in children. Both my kids have it but society installs a carb for rewards. Infant school does cake sales and up until recently had pudding for dinner, every lunchtime. Raffles and charity cake meet ups are everywhere here. If not cake it's booze.
Yes our culture encourages carb eating so sociologist would back me up and say it's present and psychologist would say it's conditioning.
Yes our society encourages early deaths.
