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What Constitutes 'Remission'

bulkbiker said:
Except, and I am being a bit picky here, the OP did not ask about doctors that was introduced by other posters.
So I'm afraid I'm still of the view that 90% ? of doctors are so unaware of the benefits of diet that they wouldn't know "remission" when it smacked them in the face. To be honest I don't care what they think or how they choose to label me. I am a well controlled Type 2 which for me is what is important and I maintain this by eating proper food.
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But not everything is about you.
 
Mr_Pot said:
Do doctors take into account that you are on a restricted diet when pronouncing you "in remission"? If I suffered from coeliac disease but hadn't had any problems for 5 years, due to avoiding any gluten, I don't think a doctor would say I was in remission. I don't want to re-visit the old controlled/remission/cured argument I just wondered if doctors regard a special diet as a form of medication.
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Mine has no idea what sort of food I eat or don't eat. It has never been discussed. I don't see a doctor for diabetes related stuff, never have done. However, my GP has recently marked my medical records as "diabetes resolved" backdated to June 2014 when I had my first HbA1c under 48. No discussion. He just did it, and will not change it.
 
lucylocket61 said:
However, not all carbs are highly processed and refined. A for some of us, some carbs are beneficial to our health. I dont see how they can be said to be killing us all.
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But carbs are not necessary for life
 
Some carbs are necessary for my health. The carbs in green veg, the carbs in wholemeal flour, the carbs in milk. They are essential for my overall health in respect to my multiple health issues.

For some of you, maybe carbs are not essential. For some of us, juggling various health conditions, they are essential.
 
Mr_Pot said:
I can't see what that has got to do with it. What I am asking is whether doctors take into account the fact that you are taking measures to avoid symptoms when considering whether your disease in remission. If I never go up any tall buildings, is my vertigo in remission?
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Very valid point!
 
bulkbiker said:
To be honest I don't care what they think or how they choose to label me. I am a well controlled Type 2 which for me is what is important and I maintain this by eating proper food.
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You seemed to be taking this personally rather than an innocent question about what is regarded as remission by doctors.
 
bulkbiker said:
Except, and I am being a bit picky here, the OP did not ask about doctors that was introduced by other posters.
So I'm afraid I'm still of the view that 90% ? of doctors are so unaware of the benefits of diet that they wouldn't know "remission" when it smacked them in the face. To be honest I don't care what they think or how they choose to label me. I am a well controlled Type 2 which for me is what is important and I maintain this by eating proper food.
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Yes you are right bulkbiker. I did not mention doctors at all, and in fact think far more of the opinions of people on this forum living with the condition. It is to these people that my question is put. I just wondered what most who say they are in remission class that as. I'm sure doctors and nurses have other opinions, but they're not living with the condition.
 
Mr_Pot said:
You seemed to be taking this personally rather than an innocent question about what is regarded as remission by doctors.
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you did make a snide remark. childish really. But have the fortitude to own it.
 
lucylocket61 said:
Some carbs are necessary for my health. The carbs in green veg, the carbs in wholemeal flour, the carbs in milk. They are essential for my overall health in respect to my multiple health issues.

For some of you, maybe carbs are not essential. For some of us, juggling various health conditions, they are essential.
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without knowing what medical conditions you have it is impossible to make any further comments on carbs. But the facts are simple. Carbs are NOT an essential nutrient. Only Fats and protein are. Of course there are always outliers or maybe not.
 
Mr_Pot said:
You seemed to be taking this personally rather than an innocent question about what is regarded as remission by doctors.
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I wasn't referring to a medical assessment of remission Mr Pot, and I'm sorry if I have caused confusion
 
In relation to remission etc etc. I actually dont care what my doctor or DN think. They would have slowly killed me if they had their way. So Fe*k them! In the nicest way
 
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rab5 said:
without knowing what medical conditions you have it is impossible to make any further comments on carbs. But the facts are simple. Carbs are NOT an essential nutrient. Only Fats and protein are. Of course there are always outliers or maybe not.
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I think you are confusing the nutrient need (or not) for carbs and a dietary need for the fibre contained in the carbs.

As far as we know, as of right now, carbs do not contain any nutrients our bodies cannot get from elsewhere. We agree.

However, the make up of the carbohydrates regarding digestive transit issues and the need for fibre may be essential for some of us, including me. I may be an outlier, but i am still a person to be counted as one who needs complex carbs in my diet on a daily basis to avoid further damage to my body due to certain medical conditions.

I know, from other posters on this forum, that I am not the only one in this position.
 
lucylocket61 said:
I think you are confusing the nutrient need (or not) for carbs and a dietary need for the fibre contained in the carbs.

As far as we know, as of right now, carbs do not contain any nutrients our bodies cannot get from elsewhere. We agree.

However, the make up of the carbohydrates regarding digestive transit issues and the need for fibre may be essential for some of us, including me. I may be an outlier, but i am still a person to be counted as one who needs complex carbs in my diet on a daily basis to avoid further damage to my body due to certain medical conditions.

I know, from other posters on this forum, that I am not the only one in this position.
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Im not confused about carbs. There is no need for carbs. There is also some information coming out that fibre may not be that important also, although I havent read enough to make up my mind on that. There are plenty of very low carb foods available with high levels of fibre. However the carbs are not essential. The fact that you may be an outlier does NOT in anyway describe you as a person who is to be ignored. Quite the contrary. I hope you get well soon regardless of what route you take in relation to carbs v fibre etc etc
 
Mal37 said:
I see many posts where in the write up the person will say they are in remission.
Yes ... I do know what that means ... but how do you know when you ARE in remission?

Is it by a certain number that you get regularly when doing a fasting blood test or is it something else?

I would really like to know, and to have an idea what figures I should be aiming for.
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Go for the lowest you can get without hurting yourself :)

There are plenty of people on here who have reversed their diabetes. Or whatever way they want to describe it. Its a long adventure. Just try and keep on top of it. Smile at the naysayers, and know you are doin the right thing.
 
When my HBA1c went down from 85 on diagnosis (last Sept 2017) to 38 (Jan 2018), my Endocrinologist said I was in "remission".

And these are the things she mentioned...

An HBA1c of 32 and below is considered "non-diabetic".

From 33 to 39 is considered "normal".

An HBA1c of 40-48 is high.

49 and above is very high.
 
NewTD2 said:
When my HBA1c went down from 85 on diagnosis (last Sept 2017) to 38 (Jan 2018), my Endocrinologist said I was in "remission".

And these are the things she mentioned...

An HBA1c of 32 and below is considered "non-diabetic".

From 33 to 39 is considered "normal".

An HBA1c of 40-48 is high.

49 and above is very high.
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WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!
 
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