Afraid I fell behind this holiday weekend and have only just caught up with the many interesting posts on this busy thread.Many native English speakers use Americanisms these days, Antje. Regrettable in my book, but it's just something that happens more and more often. Neil tells me that the language must change to keep up with the times and I know he's right but I notice that he always uses correct, what might now be called old-fashioned English. He doesn't like the changes any more than I do! But, we have to remember that the language is the one we use, it isn't ours so if someone decides to use more modern words and expressions, who are we to try to stop them?
At least 'gotten' is grammatical if used correctly @Rachox, although it is archaic. Its use died out here in the UK and the rest of the English speaking world long ago, but has persisted in Canada and the USA to the present day.And there’s one right there, ‘gotten’. In English I’d say ‘ I do hope I’ve got rid of most Americanisms’. Though gotten is creeping in more and more!
Not to worry @Antje7 you're doing wonderfully well.And here I thought I was doing pretty well with your irregular verbs! You might think I'm crazy, but I love irregular verbs (in both our languages).
In Dutch, new verbs are (almost?) always regular. Which results in completely ridiculous and delightful constructions like 'gedeletete' (where the last 'te' is silent). 'Deleten' (to delete) is a newish verb, and following Dutch grammar rules, 'the deleted post' becomes 'het gedeletete bericht'.
P.S. T.hanks for the forewarning about new Dutch verbs!In Dutch, new verbs are (almost?) always regular. Which results in completely ridiculous and delightful constructions like 'gedeletete' (where the last 'te' is silent). 'Deleten' (to delete) is a newish verb, and following Dutch grammar rules, 'the deleted post' becomes 'het gedeletete bericht'.
Oh, another thing I'm struggling with right here!I wish I was half as proficient in another language as you.
It's not needed @Antje77. The 'are' is understood.Oh, another thing I'm struggling with right here!
My gut feeling tells me your sentence is missing an 'are' at the end, even though in Dutch it's not needed. Any idea why?
Many more happy returns @DJC3!Missed a few days but getting back on track now:
No breakfast, it’s my birthday and I knew we’d be feasting later! A trip to the podiatrist ( what a way to celebrate) then lunch of chicken salad sandwich in LC bread. H/m yoghurt & raspberries, then a treat of a couple of squares of Montezuma’s Absolute black with orange, a present from a lovely friend who knows me well.
D-Family round for a takeaway curry. Glass of champagne and a tandoori mixed grill with a spoonful of saag paneer. A lovely day, just wish it could have stopped raining for a few minutes!
Happy BirthdayMissed a few days but getting back on track now:
No breakfast, it’s my birthday and I knew we’d be feasting later! A trip to the podiatrist ( what a way to celebrate) then lunch of chicken salad sandwich in LC bread. H/m yoghurt & raspberries, then a treat of a couple of squares of Montezuma’s Absolute black with orange, a present from a lovely friend who knows me well.
D-Family round for a takeaway curry. Glass of champagne and a tandoori mixed grill with a spoonful of saag paneer. A lovely day, just wish it could have stopped raining for a few minutes!
A very happy birthday to you @DJC3 !Missed a few days but getting back on track now:
No breakfast, it’s my birthday and I knew we’d be feasting later! A trip to the podiatrist ( what a way to celebrate) then lunch of chicken salad sandwich in LC bread. H/m yoghurt & raspberries, then a treat of a couple of squares of Montezuma’s Absolute black with orange, a present from a lovely friend who knows me well.
D-Family round for a takeaway curry. Glass of champagne and a tandoori mixed grill with a spoonful of saag paneer. A lovely day, just wish it could have stopped raining for a few minutes!
Someone else's slang becomes part of the language - see new entries in the Oxford Dictionary. Some seem to me to be very short-lived, but they are there as officially part of the language. I don't know why we do it, but I suppose people think it is smart. For example: anti-technology (that's me); backhaul cockamamie; dork; frontlash; gigglehouse; Ngati Pakeha; wicked; wingsuiting; woke. Some from US, others not, some appropriate because of a new action, others could easily use traditional words.I agree @Annb, but why adopt somebody else's slang? I suppose American films and TV programmes are widely screened and some of the speech patterns have rubbed off. There's nothing modern about them, they're simply the way folk speak in a different part of the world.
That's the language development we referred to. There is a difference between spellings as well which demonstrates that same development. English here has moved on in a different direction to English in America, Australia or other parts of the English speaking world.At least 'gotten' is grammatical if used correctly @Rachox, although it is archaic. Its use died out here in the UK and the rest of the English speaking world long ago, but has persisted in Canada and the USA to the present day.
Your gut feeling is quite right, Antje. It's more correct, just as it would be more correct to use whom rather than who in many circumstances (it would include a different sentence construction as well, in many cases). It makes for a much more formal tone to the sentence and is frequently left out these days - another example of changing language. Example: Who does this belong to? and To whom does this belong?Oh, another thing I'm struggling with right here!
My gut feeling tells me your sentence is missing an 'are' at the end, even though in Dutch it's not needed. Any idea why?
Belated happy birthday @DJC3.Missed a few days but getting back on track now:
No breakfast, it’s my birthday and I knew we’d be feasting later! A trip to the podiatrist ( what a way to celebrate) then lunch of chicken salad sandwich in LC bread. H/m yoghurt & raspberries, then a treat of a couple of squares of Montezuma’s Absolute black with orange, a present from a lovely friend who knows me well.
D-Family round for a takeaway curry. Glass of champagne and a tandoori mixed grill with a spoonful of saag paneer. A lovely day, just wish it could have stopped raining for a few minutes!
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