What level is High Protein?

[xyzzy]

and you won't get it

Yes I've asked to to clarify your position on this "T2's should eat at what is the safe levels of carbs is for them" question several times in the past and you never have given a straightforward answer. I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask. The majority of us T2's think it's important as it's a central theme of the "Eat to your meter" ideal from the T2 perspective. It would be nice to know that you validate that approach.

All I am attempting to point out is that diet only T2's have restricted options when it comes to choosing a carb / protein / fat regime as one and maybe two of those three variables are largely fixed for us.

Sid explained it well yesterday when in another thread he pointed out that even after you lose insulin resistance you are likely to still have a maximum carbs / day threshold because of an impaired insulin response caused by beta cell damage. T2's with impaired insulin responses simply cannot elect to pick what they think is an ideal carbohydrate intake if that value means their levels would run far too high. While I do not deny your 40% regime may be ideal for you and would never dream of telling you change it is only applicable to T2's who can cope with the roughly 200 grams per day that equates to. I think currently on the forum only Sid seems to manage that amount safely with Grazer a bit behind that.

So that leaves the majority of us T2's effectively fixing the carb part of the equation at the level our insulin production capability allows and I would guess if you measured the distribution of safe levels then for the majority the range is somewhere between 75 and 150 grams. Given that is the case and recognising there has to be some sensible RDA limit to protein the default state of anyone who low(er) carbs is effectively a LCHF diet.

 

[borofergie]

So can someone please tell me how low-carb diets are apparently high-protein?

Well it must depend on what you actually do and how many calories you end up eating. The Atkins diabetes book quotes a much higher percentage of protein than is in your diet.
Atkins Diabetes Revolution, p168

The amount of protein when you follow the ARSCP may not be that much higher than the amount you ate before you started the programme. When the dietary intake of individuals following the ANA has been studied, generaly 30-35% of their calorie intake is protein.'

ANA=Atkins nutritional Approach; I haven't worked out ARSCP

That's an old book, I was quoting from the latest "New Atkins for New You" which is written by Phinney, Volek and Westman, who are the leading experts and researchers on low-carb diet and ketosis. I don't think they can be blamed if people choose not to follow the diet as prescribed.

 

[phoenix]

Xyzz. This is a thread about protein and kidneys.
I have no intention of giving you a prescription for diabetes diets in every circumstance why on earth should I? I don't think that it's my place to do so. I have never told anyone that they should eat any particular amount nor suggested the composition of their diet .
I will say what I do, and what I did in the period before I realised I had T1. I will cite evidence which is what I have done on this thread. I will also say that the quality of the carbs chose may influence how much people may be able to eat.
However, I feel very strongly that YMMV and what works well for one may not work well for another.
People are different in their age, gender, weight, activity level, type of diabetes, co-morbities and lifestyle, even culture plays a part.

 

[borofergie]

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That's an old book, I was quoting from the latest "New Atkins for New You" which is written by Phinney, Volek and Westman, who are the leading experts and researchers on low-carb diet and ketosis. I don't think they can be blamed if people choose not to follow the diet as prescribed.

The usually accepted range for protein is 10 to 35%' so 30 to 35% represents the high end of normal, which is irrelevant because as Ishowed above, the modern prescription is much less 15 to 30% in my case.

(If you can't read this it's cos I just had my retina s an eye drops and now my iPad is a big blurry mess.msee you in 4 hours when I can read again)

 

[Paul1976]

Hope your 'Mince pies' feel better soon Stephen!

 

[xyzzy]

Xyzz. This is a thread about protein and kidneys.

Yes I realise that which is why when the OP who restricts her carbs asked a question I answered it by

a) showing how she could calculate a protein RDA to protect her kidneys.

b) telling her and other T2's that have to fix their grams of carbs per day that it is not sensible to just assume you can eat loads of protein and that a low carb diet will implicity be a LCHF one IF you stick close to the protein RDA which would seem sensible in the OP's case as she reported a pre-existing kidney condition.

c) in a PM she acknowledged I sent that I told her to refer for professional advice from her doctor and told her some of the things I had spoken about to my own doctor about kidneys and protein.

What I will continue to do on this thread which is, as you say about protein and kidneys, is keep pointing out the T2 perspective as the OP is T2. Posters should be aware of the type of diabetic they are replying to...

 

[noblehead]

I'm interested in this too...

I bet you are too! :lol: All you need to know is I'm fit and well and maintain very good blood glucose levels for a type 1 of many years, like xyzzy and Grazer have said earlier my diet, diabetes management and lifestyle has been endorsed by all my HCP's.

 

[borofergie]

I'm interested in this too...

I bet you are too! :lol: All you need to know is I'm fit and well and maintain very good blood glucose levels for a type 1 of many years, like xyzzy and Grazer have said earlier my diet, diabetes management and lifestyle has been endorsed by all my HCP's.

Yep, there is nothing like a low-carb, low-protein, low-fat diet for diabetic control...

 

[noblehead]

I'm interested in this too...

I bet you are too! :lol: All you need to know is I'm fit and well and maintain very good blood glucose levels for a type 1 of many years, like xyzzy and Grazer have said earlier my diet, diabetes management and lifestyle has been endorsed by all my HCP's.

Yep, there is nothing like a low-carb, low-protein, low-fat diet for diabetic control...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[xyzzy]

I bet you are too! :lol: All you need to know is I'm fit and well and maintain very good blood glucose levels for a type 1 of many years, like xyzzy and Grazer have said earlier my diet, diabetes management and lifestyle has been endorsed by all my HCP's.

Yep, there is nothing like a low-carb, low-protein, low-fat diet for diabetic control...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:thumbup: :lol:

 

[Defren]

Do I see agreement on the LCLPLF for diabetic control here? Well done chaps, progress! :thumbup: :lol:

 

[lucylocket61]

Errmmmm......................55g of protein is a couple of slices of cheese. Is that all the protein I need a day? :shock:

 

[borofergie]

Errmmmm......................55g of protein is a couple of slices of cheese. Is that all the protein I need a day? :shock:

How many carbs are you eating Lucy?

It also depends on how much you weigh and how tall you are (although I'm too much of a gentleman to ask that).

 

[Defren]

Errmmmm......................55g of protein is a couple of slices of cheese. Is that all the protein I need a day? :shock:

I have had. or will have had 79g of protein today Lucy. 22g came from 100g of chicken breast I had just now for dinner, then 3 x 18g in my three shakes, and the rest from the green veg I have just had. Carbs were 17g but with 6g of fiber that's total carbs of 11g.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

While I do not deny your 40% regime may be ideal for you and would never dream of telling you change it is only applicable to T2's who can cope with the roughly 200 grams per day that equates to. I think currently on the forum only Sid seems to manage that amount safely with Grazer a bit behind that.

Err, not sure where you plucked that from xyzzy I have never eaten anything like 200g of carbs a day since diagnosis, I started off on insulin and was eating about 60g a day and I now eat around about 100g a day but I no longer religiously count them I just eat what I know will keep my levels in check.

Even if I have a have a couple of snacks morning and afternoon such as a satsuma or more recently a couple of oatie biscuits it would still be nowhere near 200g of carbs

 

[lucylocket61]

Defren:

So the grams of protein is not the total weight of the food?

Right. So 55g of cheese may not have 55g of protein in. Hmmmm - need to do more research I think.

 

[noblehead]

Err, not sure where you plucked that from xyzzy I have never eaten anything like 200g of carbs a day since diagnosis, I started off on insulin and was eating about 60g a day and I now eat around about 100g a day but I no longer religiously count them I just eat what I know will keep my levels in check.

Poor xyzzy seems to be getting everyone's carb intake wrong today

 

[Defren]

Defren:

So the grams of protein is not the total weight of the food?

Right. So 55g of cheese may not have 55g of protein in. Hmmmm - need to do more research I think.

I use this http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ Type in the food you are having, and all the nutritional information comes up. Just don't make the same mistake I did and type in the wrong amount of food, I was way of beam for a day or two. I now weigh all my food, and plan ahead, so I know what I am eating before it's even out the freezer, it really does help.

 

[Defren]

Err, not sure where you plucked that from xyzzy I have never eaten anything like 200g of carbs a day since diagnosis, I started off on insulin and was eating about 60g a day and I now eat around about 100g a day but I no longer religiously count them I just eat what I know will keep my levels in check.

Poor xyzzy seems to be getting everyone's carb intake wrong today

Just as well it's only people's carb intake :wink:

 

[lucylocket61]

Thank you, that brilliant!!!!!