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What to eat - getting confused?

AllyS

AllyS

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Ok when I joined the forum I never realised carbs were so bad, since cutting a lot out my levels of high sugar have significantly dropped, so big thanks to all concerned.

On another side, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EAT?!?!?!?

I get told stick down proteins and meats then read this:

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Hold the bacon! You don’t have to cut red meat from your diet entirely, but studies show that eating lots of red meat and processed meats such as bacon and cold cuts, all high in saturated fat, could contribute to the development of type 2 diabetes.

EH? What the hell? :crazy: :***:

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When you think about saturated fat, red meat and butter probably come to mind first, but whole-milk dairy products are also loaded with saturated fats, the prime suspects in life-threatening conditions like heart disease. :***: :crazy:

So that butter I was told to lump on things is in fact quite bad for me in the diabetes leagues? :think:

So no red meats, no butter and no oil and eggs due to cholesterol issues. There really isn't a whole lot you can eat? Chicken but not processed?

I am now totally and complete lost. I was having bacon every morning with egg, can't have that? I was having omelettes,l can't have that. I was using ham slices, cant have them as they are processed. I am now totally lost guys?
 
Personally, I would completely ignore all the advice except the Low Carb/High Fat advice as despite all the BS that gets printed, there is very little evidence that fat is an issue except when the diet is high in carbs - there are many books you can read on the subject if you are interested, eg. The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living by Drs Volek and Phinney. Better to get your science from sources like that than from the popular media - they'll print anything if it's a slow news day.

My personal preference for what to eat is to follow the advice of Dr Andreas Eenfeldt:

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

I also think that the closer a food is to nature, the more healthy it is likely to be, but I wouldn't get myself too stressed about ham and bacon. You could also check out what Chris Kresser has to say on the subject of nitrates/nitrites here:

http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-and ... fear-bacon
 
Agree with Indy, carbs and fat together are a recipe for obesity, but if you reduce significantly your carbs then you can eat more fat. I am having bacon most days, eggs, red meat even processed meat, cheese and cream my numbers have gone down significantly, I've lost weight, AND my cholesterol levels have gone DOWN. The highest risk to your health is high blood sugar, that will certainly reduce your lifespan and put you at risk of terrible, debilitating complications. If you (and I mean the royal you, not just you but us all) can reduce BG and weight then your health will be much improved.
 
"They" decided a few years ago that the cholesterol in eggs is in fact NOT bad cholesterol, but GOOD cholesterol :D . So you don't have to worry about eggs. I have a 2-egg omelette for breakfast most days, cooked in butter.

My low-carb diet is based on Atkins Induction. Viv's Modified Atkins Diet is on the 'Sticky Thread' section. It gives a basic list of low-carb food that you can modify to get to the level of carbs you want to eat. Add extra carbs from Low GI veg and pulses. Also a little fruit eg berries, apricots, plums

My BGs, BP and lipid profile are all fine :D

Viv 8)
 
AllyS said:
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Hold the bacon! You don’t have to cut red meat from your diet entirely, but studies show that eating lots of red meat and processed meats such as bacon and cold cuts, all high in saturated fat, could contribute to the development of type 2 diabetes.

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When you think about saturated fat, red meat and butter probably come to mind first, but whole-milk dairy products are also loaded with saturated fats, the prime suspects in life-threatening conditions like heart disease. :***: :crazy:
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Saturated fat raises HDL cholesterol and changes the LDL pattern from small, dense (bad) to large, fluffy (good).
This has been studied extensively and no association of saturated fat with heart disease has never been proven (despite many millions of dollars spent investigating it).

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.uk ... rease.html
http://www.ajcn.org/content/77/5/1146.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1386252
http://www.ajcn.org/content/67/5/828.short
http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/ ... 5.abstract
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0711003145


AllyS said:
So no red meats, no butter and no oil and eggs due to cholesterol issues. There really isn't a whole lot you can eat? Chicken but not processed?

I am now totally and complete lost. I was having bacon every morning with egg, can't have that? I was having omelettes,l can't have that. I was using ham slices, cant have them as they are processed. I am now totally lost guys?
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Eggs, especially the yolks, are incredibly nutritious and highly satiating. There has never been any proven association between egg consumption and cardiovascular disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16340654
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 543.x/full
http://digitalcommons.uconn.edu/dissert ... AI3138385/


For at least 2,000,000 our species evolved to eat a diet primarily consisting of red meat, eggs, and green vegetables. As long as you stick to high quality meat, it's difficult to see how following this type of diet could be bad for you.
 
Do you know what DEFINITELY works? Read ALL advice - every shred of info you can gather, read it twice if you have to.

Then IGNORE all of it.

Then, eat and test, and eat and test, and eat and test.

Then make a list, and eat what works for you.

Be careful, though. Carbs eaten at breakfast will very likely still effect you at your lunch time reading - even if you avoid carbs completely at lunch.

Don't forget to ignore that last piece of "advice"... AND TEST! :thumbup:
 
Hi. I have egg and bacon for breakfast as well as a small dish of home-made muesli with no sugar added of course. Carry on eating the fats you like and have unsaturated where it fits. As others have said it's carbs that are the problem and the food industry has conned everyone into thinking it's fats; it isn't. Move your body more towards getting it's energy using stored fat rather than sugar in the blood via insulin (if you have any!). Red meat is OK but balance it with white meat and fish as well.
 
GUys for a start off, I want to thank everyone who has had input into this thread and my newly arrived thread. If I hadn't spoken to you guys I would still be piling in carbs and almost certainly be on Gliclizide, metformin and sitigliptin!

As it is gliclizide has been kicked into touch and a low carb intake without doubt wins the day. It is amazing just HOW WRONG, the NHS can be!

I will opt to stay on the low carb intake. I found brown bread that is 9g of carb so I can get a slice with my bacon and egg in the morning. That is about the only heavy carb intake I now have. Yes I have the odd additional bit but with blood sugar levels avergaing out around the 6.5, I am well happy. When you consider 3 weeks ago I couldn't get it below 25 without pills!

THANKS GUYS :thumbup: :clap:
 
You're doing really well, :clap: :clap: keep up the good work. Have you tried any of the recipes on the low carb forum? There are loads of brilliant ones, even cakes and chocolate treats.

Ann
 
As a vegetarian (fish eating) what am I to make of the glowing recommendations for bacon and egg breakfast?

In passing: are home made meusli and porridge out of favour?

******!

Robert wt :lol:
Mad as a box of frogs
 
My strategy is to read as many posts on this and the other forums that are around. Ignore any specific recommendations and instead look for commonality across the posts. By getting the "big picture" it is far easier to find something that works for you.
My big picture....
Lose weght by reducing intake (reducing the quantity of carbs AND fats)
Reduce carbs by cutting our sugar where possible
Move meal balance to fats instead of carbs.
Get a meter to identify what makes me spike 2 hours after main meal
Cutting down on sugars/carbs does not mean the same as stopping eating them, eg I still have a small portion of cornflakes at weekends, I eat a sandwich made with burgen bread, I sometimes have potatoes, naan bread but always in smaller quantities.
I am missing some chocolate bars - Topic, Old Jamaica, Crunchie, Bounty but once my weight is down another stone or two I'll even try one of these as treat and see what they does to my BS.
Exercise every morning or nice walks at weekends
 
hophead said:
My strategy is to read as many posts on this and the other forums that are around. Ignore any specific recommendations and instead look for commonality across the posts. By getting the "big picture" it is far easier to find something that works for you.
My big picture....
Lose weght by reducing intake (reducing the quantity of carbs AND fats)
Reduce carbs by cutting our sugar where possible
Move meal balance to fats instead of carbs.
Get a meter to identify what makes me spike 2 hours after main meal
Cutting down on sugars/carbs does not mean the same as stopping eating them, eg I still have a small portion of cornflakes at weekends, I eat a sandwich made with burgen bread, I sometimes have potatoes, naan bread but always in smaller quantities.
I am missing some chocolate bars - Topic, Old Jamaica, Crunchie, Bounty but once my weight is down another stone or two I'll even try one of these as treat and see what they does to my BS.
Exercise every morning or nice walks at weekends
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That is excellent advice. Would just add.

Avoid trans fats and highly processed foods.

The "Move meal balance to fats instead of carbs." is exactly what I have done so I'll happily eat saturated fats instead of carbs but even more more important is the "Get a meter to identify what makes me spike 2 hours after main meal"
 
I got this book off Amazon at the suggestion of my boyfriend's Diabetes Nurse

http://www.carbsandcals.com/

It's really useful to help monitoring sugar levels and enables you to have more freedom with your eating, albeit sensesible freedom
 
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