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5.8 this morning.
A very early morning dog walk before it got too hot.
Then the weekly shop at ALDI. Daughter and family coming up this weekend - so a bit bigger shop than normal.

Just waiting for my sister to arrive we can tackle the admin this afternoon.
Actually, she will be doing the end of year accounts and I will be going through interesting training videos from.my Professional Body. Must find the headphones first or sister won't be able to concentrate on the accounts.I

Then off to Tesco to buy some more bits and pieces.

So an enjoyable and busy day. Perfect.
 
12.1 today, down to 11.5 after a slice of pork pie. Not the most sensible snack but it's what hubby was eating/ offering!

Now the rain's stopped he's off to Sainsbury's so there'll be more diabetic-friendly foods available soon.

Think I'm going to say yes to Mounjaro. I can't continue with BGs like these every day and eggy burps, diarrhoea or constipation seem a small price to pay. Vomiting might be a bit too much though if it happens.

In more cheerful news, hubby and I have not only managed to find an NHS dentist, it's on our side of the river (this matters a lot in Southampton) and it's just over the road from Lidl. I'm stunned!
 
I don't know why it came to mind, but I thought about the hymn "To be a pilgrim" (I always did like Vaughan Williams' version) and it has stuck in my head. I needed to find out more about it. I had always thought it was inspired by John Bunyon's "Pilgrim's Progress" but have only - after all these years - discovered that he wrote the original version. Now I can't get it out of my head.
 
debs248 said:
12.1 today, down to 11.5 after a slice of pork pie. Not the most sensible snack but it's what hubby was eating/ offering!

Now the rain's stopped he's off to Sainsbury's so there'll be more diabetic-friendly foods available soon.

Think I'm going to say yes to Mounjaro. I can't continue with BGs like these every day and eggy burps, diarrhoea or constipation seem a small price to pay. Vomiting might be a bit too much though if it happens.

In more cheerful news, hubby and I have not only managed to find an NHS dentist, it's on our side of the river (this matters a lot in Southampton) and it's just over the road from Lidl. I'm stunned!
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If you do decide to go ahead with Mounjaro, could you let us know how it goes? I'm swithering about it. I don't want to refuse because the last time I did refuse some offered treatment, for arthritis, the doctors just told me to get on with it by myself then and I have had no contact with them ever since - just a prescription for pain killers from my GP. Even had to buy my own wheelchair, while others are given them by the NHS. Same happened with Carpel Tunnel syndrome - I didn't want surgery so the consultant washed his hands of me. All the same, I am wary of accepting the Mounjaro.
 
Annb said:
I don't know why it came to mind, but I thought about the hymn "To be a pilgrim" (I always did like Vaughan Williams' version) and it has stuck in my head. I needed to find out more about it. I had always thought it was inspired by John Bunyon's "Pilgrim's Progress" but have only - after all these years - discovered that he wrote the original version. Now I can't get it out of my head.
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Earworms seem to be a familial trait. My mum is particularly vulnerable to aural triggers - I remember hours of entertainment on a caravan holiday where hubby and I would sing or play tunes in our bedroom and listen for my mum to start singing it. She never realised we were doing it on purpose :cool: My daughter and I are more likely to be triggered by reading the lyrics of a song.

To be a Pilgrim is a fantastic hymn (I'm not religious but I disagree that the devil has the best tunes). I like the scene in Clockwise where John Cleese sings it in the bath. I'll have to check whether that's the V-W version, he did write a lot of tunes that have become standard.

At school we did a show (musical?) called Pilgrim which used a different tune which is also pretty good.

(See you in a few hours when I've climbed out of another Google/ YouTube rabbit hole....)
 
Annb said:
If you do decide to go ahead with Mounjaro, could you let us know how it goes? I'm swithering about it. I don't want to refuse because the last time I did refuse some offered treatment, for arthritis, the doctors just told me to get on with it by myself then and I have had no contact with them ever since - just a prescription for pain killers from my GP. Even had to buy my own wheelchair, while others are given them by the NHS. Same happened with Carpel Tunnel syndrome - I didn't want surgery so the consultant washed his hands of me. All the same, I am wary of accepting the Mounjaro.
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I was just talking to a friend of mine about Mounjaro this morning. In one year, she has lost 5 stone, feels so much better, fitter and happier. She tells me she had bouts of sulphurous burps, a couple of instances of light diarrhoea, but all in all, only slight issues and she is 100% happy to be on it. She had been paying for it privately, but her gp put her on it a little while ago. I'm considering asking about it, I seem to meet most of the criteria, though my BMI is a bit lower than the score required. However, I have had Cancer, a heart attack, diabetes, i have sleep apnoea and mobility issues (( super-exhausted during short walks, and need a new knee and maybe hip).I know 2 other people who are new to Mounjaro and so far, both are very happy on it.( they have each lost 3stone) There's a chap in our village who is pretty unrecognisable due to his weight loss and he's on it too. Only you can decide.............I had Carpal Tunnel syndrome about 20 years ago and after various physio things, they offered me the steroid injection into the wrist, which I accepted. Not had any trouble with it since
 
Annb said:
If you do decide to go ahead with Mounjaro, could you let us know how it goes?
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Of course. On this forum you're going to struggle to shut me up as it's my main outlet when family get fed up of me banging on about diabetes again.
Annb said:
I don't want to refuse because the last time I did refuse some offered treatment, for arthritis, the doctors just told me to get on with it by myself then and I have had no contact with them ever since - just a prescription for pain killers from my GP.
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Rude. Don't they want you to take responsibility for your own health? I have always maintained that a good health professional welcomes intelligent discussion. Same applies to teachers, which is probably why some of them not-so-secretly hated me.
Annb said:
Even had to buy my own wheelchair, while others are given them by the NHS.
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Same story, different ailments. I was just told "you won't get one on the NHS" by my GP and waited until I got a backpayment of benefits, then bought the cheapest powerchair I could find new. It's very uncomfortable but a decent one would be over £3k and I can't justify that when I go out so rarely. Better for the family for the money to go towards keeping our elderly car on the road. It needs a new rear axle before the next MOT eeek.
Annb said:
Same happened with Carpel Tunnel syndrome - I didn't want surgery so the consultant washed his hands of me.
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My mum refused surgery for her shoulder (torn rotator cuff). I don't know if there was a problem with the consultant, I know she had physio but but that may have been started before the referral for surgery. Were steroid injections not appropriate? I'm no expert so ignore me if that's a rubbish comment.

Annb said:
All the same, I am wary of accepting the Mounjaro.
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Me too, but I've read more accounts of gradual and even spectacular success than horror stories. No near-death complications unlike the 'flozins at any rate. If it doesn't work for me it's likely to be just a week or two of gastric upset with no long-term consequences and then a search for another medication. Your situation may be more complicated as you're already on insulin, but they wouldn't be likely to suggest MJ if they thought it was likely to go badly wrong I would have thought? It's so expensive they don't just dole it out like Metformin. Best of luck whatever you decide.
 
debs248 said:
Of course. On this forum you're going to struggle to shut me up as it's my main outlet when family get fed up of me banging on about diabetes again.

Rude. Don't they want you to take responsibility for your own health? I have always maintained that a good health professional welcomes intelligent discussion. Same applies to teachers, which is probably why some of them not-so-secretly hated me.

Same story, different ailments. I was just told "you won't get one on the NHS" by my GP and waited until I got a backpayment of benefits, then bought the cheapest powerchair I could find new. It's very uncomfortable but a decent one would be over £3k and I can't justify that when I go out so rarely. Better for the family for the money to go towards keeping our elderly car on the road. It needs a new rear axle before the next MOT eeek.

My mum refused surgery for her shoulder (torn rotator cuff). I don't know if there was a problem with the consultant, I know she had physio but but that may have been started before the referral for surgery. Were steroid injections not appropriate? I'm no expert so ignore me if that's a rubbish comment.


Me too, but I've read more accounts of gradual and even spectacular success than horror stories. No near-death complications unlike the 'flozins at any rate. If it doesn't work for me it's likely to be just a week or two of gastric upset with no long-term consequences and then a search for another medication. Your situation may be more complicated as you're already on insulin, but they wouldn't be likely to suggest MJ if they thought it was likely to go badly wrong I would have thought? It's so expensive they don't just dole it out like Metformin. Best of luck whatever you decide.
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@debs248, you are so like me!

My bit of spare cash has to go to keeping our old car going - it's not worth the money, but I can't afford a new one. The power for my chair is my son and I managed to get a pretty good - nearly new one, second hand.

The car has just been returned from getting work done on the suspension and happily, it was cheaper than expected.

The GP who referred me, all those years ago, to the hospital for treatment for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, did expect them to offer steroid injections but the consultants told me that they didn't offer that any more. It was surgery or nothing. So it was nothing.

I was sent to Glasgow for knee replacement but they declined to treat me because of a problem with my liver (which I didn't know that I had, until then) but later my local hospital referred me again but I just felt it was wrong for me - my husband was declining fast and needed me to be there. So that was that.

The consultant for my liver problems wants me to go on to Mounjaro but the process of getting it is quite long so I have time to think about it. I was referred, at his request, by the GP to the dietician at the hospital, she has to refer me on to the diabetes clinic, which she has done, but I've heard nothing further so far. However, she did say that she thought, although I was eligible, that diabetics on insulin were not appropriate for Mounjaro. My SIL bought some for herself and it made her very ill even though she only took one dose. She did lose weight on the strength of it but that was because she was so nauseous and sick she couldn't face food, or when she forced herself to have a little, she couldn't keep it down. Anyone would lose weight in that situation. She put it back on, of course.

When it comes to taking responsibilty for your own health and your own learning, I'm with you. I was also unpopular at school as a result (long time ago now) but when a teacher myself was keen for my students to investigate and discuss - also made me a bit unpopular with some other staff members who just wanted students to learn, kind of by rote, instead of understanding and thinking for themselves.
 
Had a blip with my computer and lost absolutely everything to do with running my little Company on One Drive.

Immediately rang the company that looks after my computers. They assured me that you cannot lose stuff on the cloud. Phew - thank goodness.

My computer had blocked me from accessing the cloud and it only took them 15 minutes to sort it. They actually didn't know how I had managed to get my computer to block the cloud.

Am very happy this evening that all is sorted
 
Annb said:
@debs248, you are so like me!
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I hope you don't mind me saying I think you're more like me than my own mother. Without the internet I'd have thought I was an odd bod, now I know I'm normal, just different from most of my family. My paternal grandmother was most like me but there were still significant differences.
Annb said:
The consultant for my liver problems wants me to go on to Mounjaro but the process of getting it is quite long so I have time to think about it.
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I didn't know it was good for livers. Mine slightly underperforms but has returned to the same level it was in 2016 which is probably "my normal".
Annb said:
However, she did say that she thought, although I was eligible, that diabetics on insulin were not appropriate for Mounjaro.
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I know Scotland has different prescribing guidelines but the basic principles don't change. On the other forum there have been several members taking insulin and given Mounjaro. Their insulin requirements have reduced, so care and monitoring are needed. The only absolute no-no is a Type 1 diagnosis I believe, this may be why she thought it was the insulin that meant they couldn't have it.

Annb said:
When it comes to taking responsibilty for your own health and your own learning, I'm with you. I was also unpopular at school as a result (long time ago now) but when a teacher myself was keen for my students to investigate and discuss - also made me a bit unpopular with some other staff members who just wanted students to learn, kind of by rote, instead of understanding and thinking for themselves.
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Having done a PGCE (although never taught for money) and coming from a family of teachers, I think there are some teachers who can't, or don't want to put in the effort. When he was a headmaster my dad was always complaining about staff members who shouldn't have become teachers!

It's going to take more effort exploring ideas than just reciting facts but you have to ask why are you teaching at all if you haven't got the enthusiasm. We're a long way from my mum's day where if she wanted a higher education grant her choices were teaching or nursing.

Must go interact with my daughter - I've found the Pilgrim tune I remembered on an album by Maddy Prior and as she(daughter) is a music undergraduate I want to see if her college library has the score...
 
Mrs L is progressing and after a family meeting with the mental health practitioner.
The carers are coming in and helping in the morning and evening.
It is apparent that I'm not doing as well mentally after the past few months and I have not only the dsn but also a face to face doctors appointment, and it's about my mental health mainly and I wasn't aware but the family have been concerned for a while now.
I have been told many things, now that the primary care has moved on for Mrs L
One of those things is I'm close to another breakdown. My anxiety, my depression has taken over my life, it's no wonder I do need help.
I will let you know what is happening.
And to add to this, I was told by the mental health practitioner that it could be me spending time in a home. And I'm not too happy about that.
Best wishes.
 
debs248 said:
I hope you don't mind me saying I think you're more like me than my own mother. Without the internet I'd have thought I was an odd bod, now I know I'm normal, just different from most of my family. My paternal grandmother was most like me but there were still significant differences.

I didn't know it was good for livers. Mine slightly underperforms but has returned to the same level it was in 2016 which is probably "my normal".

I know Scotland has different prescribing guidelines but the basic principles don't change. On the other forum there have been several members taking insulin and given Mounjaro. Their insulin requirements have reduced, so care and monitoring are needed. The only absolute no-no is a Type 1 diagnosis I believe, this may be why she thought it was the insulin that meant they couldn't have it.


Having done a PGCE (although never taught for money) and coming from a family of teachers, I think there are some teachers who can't, or don't want to put in the effort. When he was a headmaster my dad was always complaining about staff members who shouldn't have become teachers!

It's going to take more effort exploring ideas than just reciting facts but you have to ask why are you teaching at all if you haven't got the enthusiasm. We're a long way from my mum's day where if she wanted a higher education grant her choices were teaching or nursing.

Must go interact with my daughter - I've found the Pilgrim tune I remembered on an album by Maddy Prior and as she(daughter) is a music undergraduate I want to see if her college library has the score...
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The Maddy Prior version is rather lovely, isn't it? Neil knows the tune from somewhere but not as the Pilgrim tune. Apparently Vaughan Williams heard that song in a hostelry called "Monk's Gate", which is why he called it that when he set the Pilgrim's song to it. There are two other tunes (St Dunstan's by John Roberts 1870 and Moab by Charles W Douglas 1917) but I can't find them on the internet.

I had one lecturer at my college - her degree was in Russian and French but she taught French and though she knew nothing about it, Using Technology in an office. She could not allow any deviation from her way because it was the only way she could understand. Actually, her way was wrong. None of the class could understand what she was trying to get them to do so we ended up with me taking notes home to my son, asking him to explain it to me and then going back to college the next day and teaching everyone else so they could see how they could use the technology. That way, we could all understand and work on our own understanding and learning from that point on. After I graduated, I got to know her a bit better and, at one point she boasted that her IQ was just under 100! She didn't understand that either. She should have worked in translation, not teaching really.

Even now, she still calls me to explain what is wrong with her laptop when it won't do what she wants and asks me to fix it for her over the phone.

Actually, I don't think Mounjaro is supposed to be good for livers - just that he thinks everything would be helped if I could get rid of some of the weight that I'm carrying.
 
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Fbg 6.7

Encaustic painting ... a painting using wax with heat, in this case, I used an ordinary household iron....

Sorted my paperwork today... whittled it down...

The soaking of rags in white vinegar, and putting them on top of all the bins and in the wheelie seems to be stopping the badgers coming in to my kitchen passageway. This gives me some time to sort out my fire guard idea..... I resoaked the rags tonight....

Time for sleep, night night, I have to be up early to get all the recycle out and I haven't got it all ready yet...

Sweet dreams...

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Annb said:
There are two other tunes (St Dunstan's by John Roberts 1870 and Moab by Charles W Douglas 1917) but I can't find them on the internet.
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It's not the best recording but I found St Dunstan's on YouTube.


Annb said:
Actually, I don't think Mounjaro is supposed to be good for livers - just that he thinks everything would be helped if I could get rid of some of the weight that I'm carrying.
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That's a possibility. Usually for diabetes they seem to stop at lower doses than for weight loss so it's not guaranteed that you'll lose weight.

To the best of my knowledge everyone starts on the 2.5mg pens then gradually increases by 2.5mg each time. Weight loss isn't expected (although it may happen) until 10mg but many people prescribed it for diabetes achieve "good control" at the 5mg or 7.5mg dose and are therefore not prescribed the higher doses.
 
gennepher said:
Encaustic painting ... a painting using wax with heat, in this case, I used an ordinary household iron....
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Amazing picture.
gennepher said:
Time for sleep, night night, I have to be up early to get all the recycle out and I haven't got it all ready yet...
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I found this while looking for something else

www.classicfm.com

Beethoven’s ‘Für Elise’ alerts Taiwanese residents to take out their trash

Classical music cues cleaning time in Taiwan.
www.classicfm.com www.classicfm.com

Like an ice cream van but far less fun.
 
debs248 said:
It's not the best recording but I found St Dunstan's on YouTube.



That's a possibility. Usually for diabetes they seem to stop at lower doses than for weight loss so it's not guaranteed that you'll lose weight.

To the best of my knowledge everyone starts on the 2.5mg pens then gradually increases by 2.5mg each time. Weight loss isn't expected (although it may happen) until 10mg but many people prescribed it for diabetes achieve "good control" at the 5mg or 7.5mg dose and are therefore not prescribed the higher doses.
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Interesting video. I think I prefer Monk's Gate though - a much more catchy tune. That's why it's stuck in my head.

Well, here we are. I actually made it to the big 8 0! There have been times recently when I thought I probably wouldn't. Not that it matters much - just another day. I have a birthday card from my 82 year old brother (he wasn't expected to make it beyond his first few months). Neil doesn't do birthday cards but we'll see what the day brings. I've made a cake for serving to anyone who might call and I think I'll take a slice of it for the nurse who will be bandaging my legs today.

9.5 at 05.00 today. I think that is because of all the sugar I was handling yesterday. I seem to absorb it through my skin.
 
Lamont D said:
Mrs L is progressing and after a family meeting with the mental health practitioner.
The carers are coming in and helping in the morning and evening.
It is apparent that I'm not doing as well mentally after the past few months and I have not only the dsn but also a face to face doctors appointment, and it's about my mental health mainly and I wasn't aware but the family have been concerned for a while now.
I have been told many things, now that the primary care has moved on for Mrs L
One of those things is I'm close to another breakdown. My anxiety, my depression has taken over my life, it's no wonder I do need help.
I will let you know what is happening.
And to add to this, I was told by the mental health practitioner that it could be me spending time in a home. And I'm not too happy about that.
Best wishes.
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Am so pleased to read that you are getting help for Mrs L.
It's not at all surprising that you are depressed and anxious, the situation you have been in was extremely difficult and anyone would find it stressful, especially over a prolonged period of time.
Threatening you with time in a home doesn't sound helpful to me at all, giving you something else to worry about.
However:
Now that things are a little easier you may be able to reduce your stress levels and possibly even relax a little. Am assuming you have been taught ways to do this.
Mental exercises to help you cope, or relax.
How is your garden now?
Heatwave here has resulted in many unhappy plants. Especially the roses which were glorious, but some badly affected now have just a few wilting blossoms on stems almost bare of leaves and those few remaining covered in blackspot or oodium. I keep cutting off the worst, but simply cant keep up.
And to you to
Very Best Wishes
 
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