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Who are you voting for in the general election 2017?

Discussion in 'Diabetes Soapbox - Have Your Say' started by notafanofsugar, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. noblehead

    noblehead Type 1 · Guru
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    I doubt they'll be respite @dbr10 , the voting process and election outcome will dominate the news for a few days to come :rolleyes:
     
  2. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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  3. JRTwalker

    JRTwalker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    oh dear - band-wagons are on fire at the moment aren't they. I have seen plenty of references where Corbyn has stated that he does not support any terrorist organisations. He's called out for a review of arms dealing with our "friends" in middle east that Tories have voted against and has campaigned throughout his life to bring about peace - he is a peace-maker after all rather than a war-monger where no-one ever wins.
    Where can I find a genuine record of Corbyn stating that what you recycle here is correct?

    Voting Tory on the other hand seems like curtains for NHS, public services, support of our most vulnerable, environment (nothing much in their manifesto on this one) and more. Help me to see the positives of voting Tory for someone who values health & public services as older-age encroaches?
     
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  4. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    You could try the Daily Hate Mail but you are unlikely to find what you're looking for.
     
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  5. JRTwalker

    JRTwalker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    well indeed yes. Other comics of Tory influence are also available for the unwary and un-seeing.
     
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  6. psignathus

    psignathus Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Farron is a God fearing homophobe and corbyn is weak....options are dire for this election.
     
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  7. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    Brown sold off our gold reserves to pay for goodness knows what. That really put us in the cow pat down the line.
     
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  8. maglil55

    maglil55 Type 2 · Expert

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    Amen to that
     
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  9. Ian_Laye

    Ian_Laye Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I see that Diane Abbot is "sick" again. Probably to stop her making any more embarrassing statements lol
     
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  10. Simon84

    Simon84 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Got a job on the show 'Countdown' doing the mathematics puzzle slot I heard ;)
     
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  11. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    He used it to pay off some of the National debt. But I believe the gold price rose subsequently.
     
  12. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I has an appalling history of appealing to peoples' worst prejudices.
     
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  13. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    They certainly are; and, whoever you vote for, the Government always gets elected . We must be critical of every party in Government, starting the day after the election.
     
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  14. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    She has been a complete disaster. Anyone who cannot be bothered to brief herself before an interview shouldn't have the job.
     
  15. midnightrider

    midnightrider Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Labour did not cause the global crisis, you are right.
    However, when the crash hit we were already deep in the red from over borrowing (and 300billion of Browns beloved PFI wasn't even included in the borrowing figures). This severely limited the governments room for manoeuvre - tax cuts and public infrastructure projects are best in a downturn but you can't do this when you have 'run out of money'. This was largely due to Brown's supreme arrogance in believing that this was okay as he had 'abolished boom and bust' in contravention of all known economic laws.

    Incidentally, I am at a loss to understand why anyone believes that the Tories have cut spending. Other parties repeat this lie over and over and people believe it instead of checking for themselves (it isn't as though politicians have a good track record of veracity!). Treasury figures in the attachment show real terms changes over the last 20 years and everything but welfare (small reduction due to fewer claimants and lower benefits) and education (small reduction due to lower government payments to universities) have increased. The recovery would have been much quicker if public spending had really been cut, though this would have had considerable social implications as our society has become very dependent on tax and spend. Would anyone have wanted a quicker recovery at the expense of health, education etc.
    http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/total_chart_gallery
     
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  16. tim2000s

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    I'm very interested to see the voting demographics in this election today. If the Labour rallies have motivated the 18-30 year olds to vote, the result could be very different to the previous foregone conclusion. How much of a part to play will Brexit have? Will constituencies with a predominantly remain vote prefer Labour over Tory to avoid the "No deal is better than a bad deal" rhetoric of which many are sick?

    What about the UKIP vote that seems to have died away and migrated back to the tories?

    Lots of questions, and 10pm tonight when John Curtice appears on the BBC and gives us their opinion will be a very interesting point in time...
     
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  17. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I agree. You need to maintain aggregate demand in a downturn, otherwise the economy contracts further. As I mentioned elsewhere Labour rightly criticised Major's PFI programmes while in opposition, but then greatly expanded them when in Government. They were poor value for money, and the reason for using them was to fiddle debt off the PSBR.
    I will study the link. I am not sure that cuts to Public spending would have helped if they reduced demand in the economy. Of course, there is the important difference between current spending and infrastructure spending. Public spending is not just welfare, but also contracts for private sector firms. In a downturn you need to maintain demand, through the Public sector, if the private sector isn't doing it, to maintain tax receipts and reduce welfare spending because fewer people need it.
     
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    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes it will. I will avoid TV and radio today, but intend to catch that.
     
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  19. zand

    zand Type 2 · Master

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    Yes, looking back, the natural 7 year cycle doesn't seem so bad now does it? At least everyone had their 'day' with boom and bust, savers and borrowers alike.
     
  20. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    We are due another recession.....
     
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