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Tried and tested can be very flawed.
Did that not come across in my post.

It was late at night and the point I was eluding to is the decision makers are usually not experts, i.e. government, they then fall back on the idea that new ideas are not tried and tested and the old ideas can not be wrong because they are tried and tested.

Which is the root causes for reluctance/resistance to making changes to more up to date treatment because it is not tried and tested.

We all know eating carbs and 5 fruits a day is good for us because it has been taught for the last 20 years so to tell a novice to diabetic health treatment that this is wrong, is pure nonsense to them. Because the low fat 5 a day eat well carb system is lodged the zeitgeist as well established & tried and tested.

Every school kid knows that fat is bad, low fat is healthy and they have to eat plenty of fresh fruit. It would be lunacy to even think of doing anything else. Every one who is still continuing to be sick or getting worse must be doing it wrong and only have themselves to blame.

After all it's tried and tested. :banghead:

(That's how I thought my post read.) ;)

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Debandez

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then her good works precedes her

famous or as she'll probably say infamous..Lol

I too take my hat off.
sterling works all round.


i think if i was one of those she has her eye on , and was given the choice
of tackling Debra or a Rottweiler,
i think i'd choose the Rottie..

at least then there would be a glimmer of a chance i'd win
You make me laugh out loud. Not good when you are at the front if the queue in a Tesco superstore! Fortunately I'm not this time, I'm at home, supposed to be painting!

Ultimate goal is to be sitting next to Holly and Phil. Lots of us. 'Move up'. All with our baggy trousers in hand. Waving my list of hba1c and weight stats and the low carb booklet we put together. Also the inspirational stories booklet. Not long now.
 
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Did that not come across in my post.

It was late at night and the point I was eluding to is the decision makers are usually not experts, i.e. government, they then fall back on the idea that new ideas are not tried and tested and the old ideas can not be wrong because they are tried and tested.

Which is the root causes for reluctance/resistance to making changes to more up to date treatment because it is not tried and tested.

We all know eating carbs and 5 fruits a day is good for us because it has been taught for the last 20 years so to tell a novice to diabetic health treatment that this is wrong, is pure nonsense to them. Because the low fat 5 a day eat well carb system is established in the zeitgeist as well established & tried and tested.

Every school kid knows that fat is bad, low fat is healthy and they have to eat plenty of fresh fruit. It would be lunacy to even think of doing anything else. Every one who is still continuing to be sick or getting worse must be doing it wrong and only have themselves to blame.

After all it's tried and tested. :banghead:

(That's how I thought my post read.) ;)

:bag:
I was agreeing with you :)
 

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Just as a point of solidarity,
and slightly off topic
1 year in and i rarely get below 5.
only once i think.
it just seems my natural zone is the 5-6

i used to envy those who regularly posted a 4, now i'm more relaxed about it
as long as my highs are under the 8, then a 5 suits me the rest of the time.
Me too. Early 5s I'm more than happy with. Gives me the balance in life that makes me very happy. And my hba1c is doing well on it.
 
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I'm just very vocal. Yes I'm running with every media opportunity coming my way as I feel every little helps. The biggest yet will be The Sun. A week of diabetes. Starting 24th. My interviewer seemed very focused on getting our plight out there. We have spoke or emailed on several occasions. If she has space she will be including my mum as an insulin dependent t2 (RIP 12 years ago) and her many diabetic complications, and my daughter who had gestational well controlled with low carb (avoided meds/insulin) may be included. I sent her my leaflet (the one my surgery are going to give to anyone that wants to lose weight the low carb way or gain better control of bs) and she Hope's to squeeze that in too.

The work I'm doing with my surgery I feel could turn into something big. It's a learning curve not just for diabetics but for drs and HCPs too. I can see on Twitter (I'm quite vocal on there too) many more health pros are catching on so I live in hope.

The more of us that speak out and share our successes the sooner we will achieve our goal I feel.
Totally agree.
 
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Part 5 of 5 @jjraak


November – 'A patient's story - Debra' is attached to the GP newsletter which is being circulated across the 2 surgeries (and around Blackpool, Fylde and Wyre hopefully...

August '19

Working with surgery at their request. CCG organising a presentation and my surgery want me and Paul to give a 20 min. talk. to @100 people. 18th Sept. 5 slides. Our journeys and what work we are doing in the community.

I hope my two surgeries use your story. At some point soon I will present it to them, if I may? Mrs W already has it.

Is the talk 18th September? Would be pleased to come and listen, if that is possible.
 
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So here is the leaflet (will send you updated one @Listlad once finalised, this one is slightly more up to date than the last one I sent). It will be used by my 2 surgeries and many more hopefully. An alternative to current advice!

I have wanted to do one for a while but life got in the way.

Wanted it to be from my own perspective, diabetic to diabetic. Photo personalised it and shows the results physically. Leaflet explains more about the diabetes and the low carb way of management. All what I have picked up from this fab forum.

4 pages so not too long that people wont read. And colourful. Dr David Unwin who I bumped into at real food rocks cake stall (he was eating a tub of cream, dipping the occasional strawberry in when I threw myself in his path!!!) said I could use his infographs (can sadly only fit 1 on so went for common foods). They are in NICE guidelines so out there for all to see but to get his go ahead made my day. To actually meet him and his lovely wife made my year.

I wanted to keep it simple and as clear as possible. And to tell people it wasn't their fault (something I myself struggled with for months).

I wanted to say 'you must get a monitor and strips' but not everyone is in the financial position to do this. So I just said it is extremely beneficial.

I didn't want to put too much emphasis on exercise which may put people off. I dont really do much at all. Never have. Apart from trying to do 10k steps a day. My surgery added the 150 mins where possible. I would have liked space to say things like get off bus a stop early. Park car further away. Get up and down at night to get metabolism going. That sort of thing.

I would have liked to say 'dont worry about fat, fat is your friend' but I feel I might overstep the mark.

I would have liked to put so many more links in. Not enough space.

They included diabetes.org.uk. I ommited it purposely!!!

It's not perfect but if it helps one person I will be happy. It's not just for diabetics but pre diabetic and anyone wanting to lose weight the low carb way.

I intend when I get back from my jolies on 1st Sept to try and establish contact with lots of surgeries and arrange meeting with their diabetic teams to discuss. Will take my box of goodies!!!

Any feedback appreciated. Still time to change it although it's a pdf and changes to the food list (americanised) prove time consuming and I've already pushed my luck. I have a couple of notes from members on my favourite thread (FBS full on chat! Who would have guessed :)).
 

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Debandez

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I hope my two surgeries use your story. At some point soon I will present it to them, if I may? Mrs W already has it.

Is the talk 18th September? Would be pleased to come and listen, if that is possible.

It is. CCG are sorting and sending invites so I'm not sure who it is aimed at just yet. I will get more info. It's only a 20 min talk. Shared with Paul, the other pt helping pts. We are getting our heads together to put something together shortly.
 
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I would have liked to say 'dont worry about fat, fat is your friend' but I feel I might overstep the mark.

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Agree.Say fat,lipid theory fail,etc and they will just write us off.Have to stick with just the low carb message and go light on the fat part for now IMO.
Micheal J Fox says it well in back to the future...
Guess you guys arent ready for that yet...but your kids are gonna love it

 
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Debandez

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Agree.Say fat,lipid theory fail,etc and they will just write us off.Have to stick with just the low carb message for now IMO.
Micheal J Fox says it well in back to the future...
Guess you guys arent ready for that yet...but your kids are gonna love it

Brilliant!!!
 

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So here is the leaflet (will send you updated one @Listlad once finalised, this one is slightly more up to date than the last one I sent). It will be used by my 2 surgeries and many more hopefully. An alternative to current advice!

I have wanted to do one for a while but life got in the way.

Wanted it to be from my own perspective, diabetic to diabetic. Photo personalised it and shows the results physically. Leaflet explains more about the diabetes and the low carb way of management. All what I have picked up from this fab forum.

4 pages so not too long that people wont read. And colourful. Dr David Unwin who I bumped into at real food rocks cake stall (he was eating a tub of cream, dipping the occasional strawberry in when I threw myself in his path!!!) said I could use his infographs (can sadly only fit 1 on so went for common foods). They are in NICE guidelines so out there for all to see but to get his go ahead made my day. To actually meet him and his lovely wife made my year.

I wanted to keep it simple and as clear as possible. And to tell people it wasn't their fault (something I myself struggled with for months).

I wanted to say 'you must get a monitor and strips' but not everyone is in the financial position to do this. So I just said it is extremely beneficial.

I didn't want to put too much emphasis on exercise which may put people off. I dont really do much at all. Never have. Apart from trying to do 10k steps a day. My surgery added the 150 mins where possible. I would have liked space to say things like get off bus a stop early. Park car further away. Get up and down at night to get metabolism going. That sort of thing.

I would have liked to say 'dont worry about fat, fat is your friend' but I feel I might overstep the mark.

I would have liked to put so many more links in. Not enough space.

They included diabetes.org.uk. I ommited it purposely!!!

It's not perfect but if it helps one person I will be happy. It's not just for diabetics but pre diabetic and anyone wanting to lose weight the low carb way.

I intend when I get back from my jolies on 1st Sept to try and establish contact with lots of surgeries and arrange meeting with their diabetic teams to discuss. Will take my box of goodies!!!

Any feedback appreciated. Still time to change it although it's a pdf and changes to the food list (americanised) prove time consuming and I've already pushed my luck. I have a couple of notes from members on my favourite thread (FBS full on chat! Who would have guessed :)).
Fantastic. That info graph is very useful.

I would prefer my lot to use your leaflet. Firstly as it is well thought out and contains the essentials and secondly it reduces the opportunity for them to get it wrong. I suggested to Mrs W that it would be best to go with your leaflet, Deb.
 
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If only I could drag him kicking and screaming from the subject of statins. He is utterly disinterested in diabetes.

He has boxes to tick dontcha know.
Can you book with another GP or do you have only one to choose from?
 

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Can you book with another GP or do you have only one to choose from?
There are seven GPs at my Practice. There seems to be a high turnover of junior partners and a high incidence of locum cover. When I joined the Practice two and half years ago I was listed with a junior partner and requested a change to an older, female doctor, the request was denied. The surgery is oversubribed and the Practice Manager is said to have had a previous career in the Hitler Youth.
 

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There are seven GPs at my Practice. There seems to be a high turnover of junior partners and a high incidence of locum cover. When I joined the Practice two and half years ago I was listed with a junior partner and requested a change to an older, female doctor, the request was denied. The surgery is oversubribed and the Practice Manager is said to have had a previous career in the Hitler Youth.
I just pick the GP I want at the point of booking, subject to availability of course. For diabetes I can pick any one from 6 or 7.
 

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I just pick the GP I want at the point of booking, subject to availability of course. For diabetes I can pick any one from 6 or 7.
You are lucky. This is no longer typical.
 

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I can see any one of the GPs in our practice when I book. It matters not whether it is my named GP or some other. One of the GPs specialises in arthritis and I see him if I need to - he works part time at the local musculoskeletal unit. If we have an urgent need to see a GP we ring up and are given to whoever is available. I can also book on-line and see any of the GPs that have suitable appointments. I haven't seen my named GP for years. All she does is look at my test results and contacts me if she wants to discuss something. I thought this was pretty general throughout the country.
 
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