'Food- truth or Scare' BBC1

[donnellysdogs]

I think iHs has written accidentally from a T1 point of view. I've never read anything previously ref weight n T2's and am sure it wasn't meant badly....
Maybe because a huge amount of T1's lose so much weight etc pre diagnosis etc.....

I'm sure that it wasn't meant badly as I have never known iHs to intentionally upset or anger people.

I must admit that from a T1 point of view up until reading comments and views here for the past few years that I did know T2's that were overweight and the vast majority of these people have lost in excess of 5stone!! My uncle was the only person I have met in person who was a stick insect T2..
However a generalisation doesn't really help on a public forum...

 

[ickihun]

@donnellysdogs it's like me saying all type 1s deliberately keep thin by not taking their insulin. Wrong, wrong, wrong. My best friend was type 1 til her transplant. She struggled all her life to control her diabetes. Now she just has to suffer kidney dialysis for the rest of her life instead. Or another transplant. Type 1 is a different challenge but still a diabetic challenge.
Some type 1s don't get type 2s and vice versa. If diabetics don't understand the difference what chance has joe public?
Maybe some type 2s are over sensitive to the label but no one likes being accused of being deliberately fat. Or thin.

 

[Jaylee]

I think iHs has written accidentally from a T1 point of view. I've never read anything previously ref weight n T2's and am sure it wasn't meant badly....
Maybe because a huge amount of T1's lose so much weight etc pre diagnosis etc.....

I'm sure that it wasn't meant badly as I have never known iHs to intentionally upset or anger people.

I must admit that from a T1 point of view up until reading comments and views here for the past few years that I did know T2's that were overweight and the vast majority of these people have lost in excess of 5stone!! My uncle was the only person I have met in person who was a stick insect T2..
However a generalisation doesn't really help on a public forum...

Not in my name... Not my T1POV. Without reeling off a list of T2s I have personally known all my life.
My dad & my neighbour briefly naming two didn't/don't match the stereotype..

 

[Robinredbreast]

I think iHs has written accidentally from a T1 point of view. I've never read anything previously ref weight n T2's and am sure it wasn't meant badly....
Maybe because a huge amount of T1's lose so much weight etc pre diagnosis etc.....

I'm sure that it wasn't meant badly as I have never known iHs to intentionally upset or anger people.

I must admit that from a T1 point of view up until reading comments and views here for the past few years that I did know T2's that were overweight and the vast majority of these people have lost in excess of 5stone!! My uncle was the only person I have met in person who was a stick insect T2..
However a generalisation doesn't really help on a public forum...

I was 8 1/2 stone ( 9 stone now) both in the ideal weight range for my height and I went down to 7 stone when diagnosed.

 

[ickihun]

That's just it. Not many people do. Like @donnellysdogs said just bad generalisation.
It happens but education would be a well welcome fix.
Diabetes.co.uk do their bit but it has to come from all of us. Please.

 

[zand]

Some of you are still missing the point. It's the insulin resistance (ie the T2) that makes us T2s fat, not the fat that causes T2. If a T2 doesn't match the stereotype that doesn't make them a better person than the stereotypical T2, the slim ones are just lucky that the T2 hasn't made them fat, that's all.

As @ickihun says no-one likes being accused of being deliberately fat.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Its good that T1's are being educated.... I say it from my heart all those years back when joining here I genuinely thought overweight had something to do with it.

However, just a few weeks back a friend told me of other acquaintances that were recently diagnosed... And this friend (non diabetic) said that sizeof these persons had to contribute because one of them since losing 5stone was now normal levels again.

I actually found myself sticking up for slim type 2's and other persons that were overweight but not diabetic...

That was only from the education I gained from this forum though over the years..

I do agree about sweeping generalisations of anything relating to diabetes (or any disease actually!!) Cancer doesn't just pick on smokers!! So there is no generalusation needed in this day and age... But it happens and I just see it as a learning for us all.....

I have read a lot of iHs posts helping T1's (and T2's) over the years and don't want to lose her iHs from the forum to be honest...

Just me trying to explain...(probably not very well!)

Sorry for distracting from the original posting..

 

[eddie1968]

I am type 2 on insulin for years now. I eat healthily and my BMI is 27. I am not fat anymore but have extreme insulin resistance. I am titrating up from 1 unit per kg to 2-3 units per kg. I agree that you don't need to be obese to be T2.

 

[zand]

As someone who has struggled with my weight for very many years I think I'm going to use my two brain cells (if I can find them both) and give this forum a rest for a while. It's bad enough having to go around looking like this, but I'm still getting the message that slim people are good and fat people are bad. That's not helpful at all.

 

[JohnEGreen]

My grandson's other grandparents are both T2 one is fat the other is thin.

I don't know which I object to most being called fat or being called stupid.

 

[Mike d]

Find it hard to believe this garbage was posted, but it takes all "types" ..... leave it up here so people can really learn something.

 

[donnellysdogs]

As someone who has struggled with my weight for very many years I think I'm going to use my two brain cells (if I can find them both) and give this forum a rest for a while. It's bad enough having to go around looking like this, but I'm still getting the message that slim people are good and fat people are bad. That's not helpful at all.

Not at all.... You are educating us!!!

 

[donnellysdogs]

All your postings are great education...
I think its great to learn from others...

 

[ickihun]

@donnellysdogs when an overweight or underweight type 2 gets good management it doesn't guarantee weight change. As you know insulin can have you gaining weight by just injecting. You don't add weight if the carbs and insulin match your bodies needs. Not enough or too much is not a match.
Insulin resistant is where the body produces insulin of poor quality or not enough to meet the body's needs/match. Research are saying that the key to the door is blocked. So extra keys are produced but not effective. Extra insulin production hence adding weight. Some don't produce extra but still not effective.

 

[donnellysdogs]

@donnellysdogs when an overweight or underweight type 2 gets good management it doesn't guarantee weight change. As you know insulin can have you gaining weight by just injecting. You don't add weight if the carbs and insulin match your bodies needs. Not enough or too much is not a match.
Insulin resistant is where the body produces insulin of poor quality or not enough to meet the body's needs/match. Research are saying that the key to the door is blocked. So extra keys are produced but not effective. Extra insulin production hence adding weight. Some don't produce extra but still not effective.

Yea I realise all that which is why finally I actually stood up for thin T2's and the overweights that don't get diabetes etc....

Only from the education of others here since joining though...

Heck, now I am getting in trouble for trying to explain that we do need educating... Media etc and all!!! I do include myself but I have learnt!!

 

[forge]

Why can't poster just say, " I do not share your view, my view is ..... " No one will change another's view by attacking them.

It takes skill to change public perception.

As for fats and how helpful they are, I am scheduled tomorrow for my second annual pacemaker review and consultation and I am expecting advice again on not eating processed meat and not too much cheese and stay off the grog.

I would have to be very silly indeed to ignore their advice particularly when LC is doing the job for me without HF. I do not want a gravestone that reads "He did not listen to his specialist so he died from too much cheese and bacon" I would rather have "He died happy from too much grog" but my real preference is "he was active and healthy until they found a position vacant in Galaxy II"

 

[Jaylee]

"The post" in essence was cruel & unempathic..

 

[Mike d]

It takes skill to change public perception.

It takes facts. Irrefutable facts. "Skills" in the hands of those who know nothing about their argument and do so in the face of those who know better is just a waste of time.

 

[Brunneria]

I think what gets me is the moral high ground some people adopt.

The number of times I have seen people post 'I am slim, I have always been slim.' as if it is some kind of honour.

These people are lucky. Maybe it has also taken some effort. But they clearly don't have the insulin resistance that I, @ichikun and @zand are talking about. So they don't know what they are talking about and come over as skinnies adopting a superior attitude.

No one would imply that irritable bowel syndrome is a moral failure, would they? It is the body having an intolerant reaction to food. 'I don't have explosive bowels, I have always looked after myself and watched what I've eaten and exercised' is a nonsense. IBS only improves when the cause is identified and dealt with.

Same with insulin resistance and the accompanying lethargy, tiredness, aching, appetite increase and escalating weight.

Yet people imply that having insulin resistance, battling lifelong fight it, and being vilified for it by friends, family and the media, is a moral failure.

Frankly, I expect better of people on this forum.

 

[CollieBoy]

I like that the doc says that carbs should be no more than 20g a day.

The doc said that for some T2s, they may need to be at 20g/day, not that ALL SHOULD go down to this.
so if you control @ 30g/day you are not "failing" in your diet!