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'Food- truth or Scare' BBC1

ickihun said:
@donnellysdogs when an overweight or underweight type 2 gets good management it doesn't guarantee weight change. As you know insulin can have you gaining weight by just injecting. You don't add weight if the carbs and insulin match your bodies needs. Not enough or too much is not a match.
Insulin resistant is where the body produces insulin of poor quality or not enough to meet the body's needs/match. Research are saying that the key to the door is blocked. So extra keys are produced but not effective. Extra insulin production hence adding weight. Some don't produce extra but still not effective.
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Hi. I might disagree on this. My understanding is that insulin resistance is the result of the body's insulin storing excess carbs as fat and those deposits make it more difficult for the muscle cells to use insulin efficiently. To avoid that fat storage the carbs need to be matched to the body's glucose needs. If kept down the body may go into ketosis (good) which makes the body burn some of that fat.
 
Right

I am really sorry that my msg on this thread has caused so many type 2s great offence. I have been an insulin dependant type 1 for 50 years now and have seen type 2 increase at an alarming rate caused by weightgain mostly but there is also a number of type 2s where the cause has been alcohol related and that is also rising.

I hope that by the end of this year, weightgain will start to be looked at in a different light for most people and that the health warnings dont fall on deaf ears.
 
CollieBoy said:
The doc said that for some T2s, they may need to be at 20g/day, not that ALL SHOULD go down to this.
so if you control @ 30g/day you are not "failing" in your diet!
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Hi there,

I think you will find the doctor says "For some people who have diabetes, who need to lose weight around the middle, they need to restrict their carbohydrate content to less than 20g total in one day. That's the equivalent of one thick slice of white bread".

The doctor doesn't state T2 and nor did I. He doesn't state ALL SHOULD go down to this and nor do I.

The doctor doesn't say anything about controlling @ 30g being a failure of your diet and nor do I.

Please read what is written and listen to what was said before replying to comments I've made.
 
iHs said:
I watched the programme this morning and thought it was one of the best programmes that Ive seen for a long time which more or less puts the writing on the wall about being overweight so that anyone with 2 brain cells who when looking down, cant see their feet, will hopefully take notice and not wait for diabetes and other more serious health problems to be diagnosed. As for fats, well eating loads of meat and other processed food containing fats, is often the cause of polyps growing in the colon and if not detected and removed, could go on to become malignant tumours, so fat in moderation is the key.

As for DUK, well they need to bring out the large Silent Assassin poster again but feature someone who is overweight and not necessarily obese and have these posters on billboards outside supermarkets, bus stops, train station escalators and shopping centres and with any luck, people will start to feel uncomfortable about being the size they are and do something to get rid of the spare tyre. GPs also need to issue better dietary guidance and refrain from prescribing oral drugs and warn people of the danger ahead if they dont do something to lose weight and change their diet but of course many GPs are also overweight so they need to do something first before advising others.
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I totally disagree with the poster idea or any idea that promotes people being shamed into anything. There are over eaters out there because they are ashamed. I do wish people would stop judging other people into why they are fat and making the assumptions its because they are greedy. There are many many reasons why people turn to food for comfort. Its the promotion of what is good for you or bad for you not because you are the shape you are that needs to be done.I would fully support everyone in the country no matter what shape you are, being given a test for diabetes to see the full extend of the western diet to see how many people are non-diagnosed diabetics. Its the only way for the country to wake up as a whole to understand they are what they eat no matter what shape they are.
Hugs to iHs at least you identified a problem as to why people see diabetic and think fat. If we are promoting diabetes then put a slim person on the poster :)
 
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Well said @Kyi

My thoughts exactly.

Here in my local area, the Health Centre now calls in all the over 40s for a full blood check (no matter what size they are) and this includes an HbA1c. It is a step in the right direction, if only all those called take up the offer. My own son-in-law needed a lot of nagging to go for his.
 
Kyi said:
I totally disagree with the poster idea or any idea that promotes people being shamed into anything. There are over eaters out there because they are ashamed. I do wish people would stop judging other people into why they are fat and making the assumptions its because they are greedy. There are many many reasons why people turn to food for comfort. Its the promotion of what is good for you or bad for you not because you are the shape you are that needs to be done.I would fully support everyone in the country no matter what shape you are, being given a test for diabetes to see the full extend of the western diet to see how many people are non-diagnosed diabetics. Its the only way for the country to wake up as a whole to understand they are what they eat no matter what shape they are.
Hugs to iHs at least you identified a problem as to why people see diabetic and think fat. If we are promoting diabetes then put a slim person on the poster :)
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Hi there,

I'm not sure what you are saying here. You start by saying you disagree with a poster or any shame provoking promotion yet end saying put a slim person on a poster?

I do agree that far too much emphasis is placed on the way we look, the shape we are and how we should conform to what the media portrays as the way we all should be.

The media has done this for years with the marketing of their ideal person but simply put the world is not an ideal place and nor would it be if we all became the same as those portrayed in their imagery. No one should every feel ashamed of how they look because it is a part of who they are.

The world is, however, a diverse, interesting and wonderful world, full of people of all shapes, sizes, colours and beliefs and I for one am fighting to live in it.

It is true that carrying weight and type 2 have been linked but although there are links it is not to say that there are not exceptions and that some people will have got diabetes from being over weight and others will have become overweight because of our diabetes or that either or neither are wholly mutually reliant. We are all different.

The fact is that for whatever reason we have become type 2 there is no point in being ashamed about it or what happened in our particular case because it happened.

All our energies should be directed at trying to make the best of our lot while we can for as long as we can and making decisions that are the best for us and not someone looking to blame or shame us.

Be happy and look after yourself.
 
supergirthuk said:
Hi there,

I'm not sure what you are saying here. You start by saying you disagree with a poster or any shame provoking promotion yet end saying put a slim person on a poster?

I do agree that far too much emphasis is placed on the way we look, the shape we are and how we should conform to what the media portrays as the way we all should be.

The media has done this for years with the marketing of their ideal person but simply put the world is not an ideal place and nor would it be if we all became the same as those portrayed in their imagery. No one should every feel ashamed of how they look because it is a part of who they are.

The world is, however, a diverse, interesting and wonderful world, full of people of all shapes, sizes, colours and beliefs and I for one am fighting to live in it.

It is true that carrying weight and type 2 have been linked but although there are links it is not to say that there are not exceptions and that some people will have got diabetes from being over weight and others will have become overweight because of our diabetes or that either or neither are wholly mutually reliant. We are all different.

The fact is that for whatever reason we have become type 2 there is no point in being ashamed about it or what happened in our particular case because it happened.

All our energies should be directed at trying to make the best of our lot while we can for as long as we can and making decisions that are the best for us and not someone looking to blame or shame us.

Be happy and look after yourself.
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I was laughing when I suggested the poster of the slim person. The rise in Diabetes is promoted as because as a society we are getting fatter. Diabetics have become insulin resistant at some point and have gained weight from it. Are we fat because we have become insulin resistant or insulin resistant because we are fat. There is no answer to this chicken and the egg question yet. Not all fat people have diabetes not all thin people have no T2 diabetes. Questions are still there and answers. are still being provided. Have we found the answers yet? Maybe maybe not. But the western diet is definiately contributing to diabetes. This is why a poster for diabetes is needed to get people to understand they are at risk of disease not to shame anyone. To do nothing is letting the problem get bigger. Maybe the poster should be a vast range of people, colour,size and shapes for the wider public to understand they are all at risk.Its a selfish point of view to just say Ill look after myself and not try to protect others from getting my disease.
 
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Kyi said:
I was laughing when I suggested the poster of the slim person. The rise in Diabetes is promoted as because as a society we are getting fatter. Diabetics have become insulin resistant at some point and have gained weight from it. Are we fat because we have become insulin resistant or insulin resistant because we are fat. There is no answer to this chicken and the egg question yet. Not all fat people have diabetes not all thin people have no T2 diabetes. Questions are still there and answers. are still being provided. Have we found the answers yet? Maybe maybe not. But the western diet is definiately contributing to diabetes. This is why a poster for diabetes is needed to get people to understand they are at risk of disease not to shame anyone. To do nothing is letting the problem get bigger.
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I agree.

I only discovered my type 2 a matter of a couple of weeks ago but certainly ignorance of the implications of having type 2 along with a sense that it won't happen to me and a sedatory lifestyle must have been some contributory factor in my case.

I hope that if there is a poster campaign that it does generalise and not concentrate images of any particular size or shape. A poster showing a crowd of people of all diversities with a question "which one is the Diabetic?"
and the answer below "They all are." with statements of the severe complications that can befall sufferers would do the trick.
 
forge said:
Why can't poster just say, " I do not share your view, my view is ..... " No one will change another's view by attacking them.

It takes skill to change public perception.

As for fats and how helpful they are, I am scheduled tomorrow for my second annual pacemaker review and consultation and I am expecting advice again on not eating processed meat and not too much cheese and stay off the grog.

I would have to be very silly indeed to ignore their advice particularly when LC is doing the job for me without HF. I do not want a gravestone that reads "He did not listen to his specialist so he died from too much cheese and bacon" I would rather have "He died happy from too much grog" but my real preference is "he was active and healthy until they found a position vacant in Galaxy II"
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Fantastic posting- made me chuckle too!!
 
supergirthuk said:
I agree.

I only discovered my type 2 a matter of a couple of weeks ago but certainly ignorance of the implications of having type 2 along with a sense that it won't happen to me and a sedatory lifestyle must have been some contributory factor in my case.

I hope that if there is a poster campaign that it does generalise and not concentrate images of any particular size or shape. A poster showing a crowd of people of all diversities with a question "which one is the Diabetic?"
and the answer below "They all are." with statements of the severe complications that can befall sufferers would do the trick.
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What a fantastic idea for a poster!!
 
iHs said:
Right

I am really sorry that my msg on this thread has caused so many type 2s great offence. I have been an insulin dependant type 1 for 50 years now and have seen type 2 increase at an alarming rate caused by weightgain mostly but there is also a number of type 2s where the cause has been alcohol related and that is also rising.

I hope that by the end of this year, weightgain will start to be looked at in a different light for most people and that the health warnings dont fall on deaf ears.
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There have also been huge rises in stress, burnout, cardio-vascular disease, back pain, depression. I could go on.

Whilst the internet is a wonderful learning tool, it can also confirm anything any of us want it to; such is the breadth of information and "research" documented on there.

I reiterate my suggestion that some cause v effect for obesity and insulin resistance would serve some of your understanding well, but will accept that you will find that an unnecessary waste of your time.
 
CollieBoy said:
To be fair to @iHs he is a T1, which is a different disease to T2, so he won't neccesarily know much about it!:rolleyes:
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Obviously he doesn't know much about it so why doesn't he do as we T2s are told to do on T1matters and keep his mouth shut?
 
iHs said:
Right

I am really sorry that my msg on this thread has caused so many type 2s great offence. I have been an insulin dependant type 1 for 50 years now and have seen type 2 increase at an alarming rate caused by weightgain mostly but there is also a number of type 2s where the cause has been alcohol related and that is also rising.

I hope that by the end of this year, weightgain will start to be looked at in a different light for most people and that the health warnings dont fall on deaf ears.
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I take it you mean that us with T2 have caused our own illness and that fat people have themselves to blame too.

Why don't you just keep quiet on topics you have no understanding of?
 
iHs said:
I... and have seen type 2 increase at an alarming rate caused by weightgain mostly but there is also a number of type 2s where the cause has been alcohol related and that is also rising.
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You are stating that T2 is caused mostly by weight gain (as in subcutaneous fat).
Wrong. The reality is explained all over the forum, so I don't think it is necessary to explain it again here.

As for your comment on alcoholism - weird. Perhaps you are confusing NAFLD with AFLD. Trust me when I say that is almost as irritating as a T1 finds it when they are confused with a fat T2.

So, another judgemental and misinformed post then.
 
Way I am reading it...
@iHs first of all blamed T2s for being fat, then slapped additional insult by adding some of us are boozers too.
I won't be shamed. Not guilty.
 
Totto said:
Why don't you just keep quiet on topics you have no understanding of?
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Some people cannot control the urge to continually demonstrate their ignorance.

We should be grateful, cos it gives every one else a good laugh.
 
Just digging yourself a deeper hole ... quit whilst you're behind
 
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