My low carb/IF Diet - BG and progress

[JenniferG]

Which Facebook page was that on? Have you listened to the Fung podcast on 2 keto dudes.. very funny and pretty blunt speaking from the maestro.

Thanks for sharing this information. I am a keto & Fung fan, and I just listened to the episode -- loved it. I bookmarked the 2 keto dudes episodes page and subscribed to their e-mail list. I am going to listen to all of these episodes and listen to the new ones each week. They even got the author of The Big Fat Surprise, Nina Tiecholz. This is another book I need to get after I'm done with all my others.

 

[JenniferG]

You can do it Jen!!

Thanks I did it -- my first 23:1 fast! Great success! See my post:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/hi-my-name-is-jennifer-new-here.102963/page-3

 

[Debmcgee]

Excellent t start Jennifer! After a couple, you'll be able to do more. I'll go read your post now

 

[JenniferG]

Just finished reading this book:

It's been a very interesting read and explains the relationship to cholesterol and heart disease/prevention. It also was very good at analysing low fat diets and their detriment to our long term health.

I wish all docs and the government would read this and change the advice that's killing those who want to swim with the tide

Love that book. Worth reading twice even I bought that book for all my family members and some friends. As well as the Obesity code and Blood Sugar 101 & Diabetes Solution where appropriate.

 

[Debmcgee]

Hi.
My name is Debbie and I have sinned...

Took girls to cinema yesterday and then to a restaurant afterwards, having the intention to eat ribs. When I got there, I was handed a deal option and then strayed from my low carb righteous path and had the following:

Shared garlic bread pizza (this was divine and probably tasted even better because it was so wrong).

Pepperoni pizza. All of it including the crust which I never eat

And then to add the proverbial cherry on top, a waffle (which I donated a third to the girls) with two scoops of ice cream. I all but licked the plate!

I'm feeling really disappointed in myself. So much for having control.

So that really is it for me. I've suffered all night with the bloat and am still this morning. I feel tired too because of it.

So I shall be fasting daily until I'm back to 6.0.

 

[4ratbags]

You're only human, dont let it get you down, back on the wagon tomorow

 

[Brunneria]

Debs, this is a pattern for you, isn't it? I remember posts like this regularly, right back to when you joined the forum.

Forgive me for being so frank, but you have a recurring pattern of setting yourself up for failure:

-you set over ambitious targets for yourself
-you keep them for a while, celebrate, and anticipate huge success
-then you slip, get very cross with yourself, declare you will get back on the wagon
-then you struggle, in the grip of food addiction and carb cravings
-then you disappear for months at a time, as you binge out of control

PLEASE recognise this pattern, and consciously nip it in the bud this time.

I can think of several baby steps that will help you, if you are willing to do it:

-don't set such harshly unrealistic targets. What normal human being could possibly Fast when on holiday with their kids in Junk Food Heaven where food is a major social fun activity? Either don't go to these places, or stuff yourself with filling low carb food first. Going in hungry is a recipe for disaster.
-think of control, rather than denial
-stop beating yourself up and declaring that you will go back into Major Fast Mode. you are just setting yourself up for failure.
-and finally, PLEASE DON'T stop visiting the forum if you really do fall off the wagon. This forum is the best thing you can do to get BACK on the wagon.

Once again, sorry to be so frank, but you REALLY NEED TO HEAR THIS.

Have a hug.

- oh, and do you know why I feel qualified to say this to you? Been there, done that, and still have an XXXL T shirt in the back of the wardrobe to prove it.

 

[Debmcgee]

You're so right Brun but there is one difference this time! I am committed wholeheartedly about staying on here and recognise that being here and getting support is all part of my recovery process.

I haven't really noticed that cycle - mad really when you've spotted it straight away. I've never been one for baby steps - I've been an all or nothing type of gal all these years and look where it's got me.

The difference this time is I'm not in denial - I have been continuing to monitor FBG after these step backs and recorded them on here as a way to be accountable and get straight back on it.

I assumed that I'd be able to withstand temptation because I'd had such great progress but I agree now that was niaive to think that.

I will carry on and get back on the wagon today.

We will not be going away for another couple of weeks and I will be better prepared for it. Summer holidays are the worst for me - the added stress of the girls, the ex trying to ruin plans and lack of money all takes its toll....

Thank you Brun for your frankness. Xxxxx

 

[ickihun]

You're so right Brun but there is one difference this time! I am committed wholeheartedly about staying on here and recognise that being here and getting support is all part of my recovery process.

I haven't really noticed that cycle - mad really when you've spotted it straight away. I've never been one for baby steps - I've been an all or nothing type of gal all these years and look where it's got me.

The difference this time is I'm not in denial - I have been continuing to monitor FBG after these step backs and recorded them on here as a way to be accountable and get straight back on it.

I assumed that I'd be able to withstand temptation because I'd had such great progress but I agree now that was niaive to think that.

I will carry on and get back on the wagon today.

We will not be going away for another couple of weeks and I will be better prepared for it. Summer holidays are the worst for me - the added stress of the girls, the ex trying to ruin plans and lack of money all takes its toll....

Thank you Brun for your frankness. Xxxxx

I'm with you on the all then nothing type of gal.
I normally get burn out which undoes all my hard work.
I've found lchf diet plan a tool to give me more control over high bgs.
Ultimately thou I feel I have to accept certain foods are poisonous for me.
I have to see them for what they are. Poison.
I guess an outsider would say it's like self-harming. Feeding ourselves with food which damages our system.
Some is cravings and some is self healing but with the wrong nutrients.
I wish carbs would just be removed from sale. Much easier, for everyone. Well easier for me. Ha ha

 

[Debmcgee]

Listened to the podcast with Jason. It was so good! I'm going to listen to one a day! Thank you for posting it xxx

 

[Debmcgee]

@ickihun totally with you on the poison front! When I was first diagnosed, I looked at all 'bad' food with a skull and cross bone on them. It worked a treat and stopped me from touching anything. And self harming is the exact right term for it. I am an intelligent, reasonably rational person, yet knew what I was doing and what impact it would have on me this morning. But I still do it. Why???

When I first split with the other toxin in my life (the ex !) I deliberately are way too much and nothing at all healthy. I did it to show I didn't care and also to be invisible. I didn't want anyone to notice me and I carried on doing it for two years...I don't know where the time went...

Obviously regret it now.

And yet here I am, five years down the road, still doing the same self infliction - albeit at a less extreme scale.

I will work through this now though....xx

 

[Clivethedrive]

Hi.
My name is Debbie and I have sinned...

Took girls to cinema yesterday and then to a restaurant afterwards, having the intention to eat ribs. When I got there, I was handed a deal option and then strayed from my low carb righteous path and had the following:

Shared garlic bread pizza (this was divine and probably tasted even better because it was so wrong).

Pepperoni pizza. All of it including the crust which I never eat

And then to add the proverbial cherry on top, a waffle (which I donated a third to the girls) with two scoops of ice cream. I all but licked the plate!

I'm feeling really disappointed in myself. So much for having control.

So that really is it for me. I've suffered all night with the bloat and am still this morning. I feel tired too because of it.

So I shall be fasting daily until I'm back to 6.0.

Amen

 

[Debmcgee]

Successfully lasted a whole day without temptation!

Had an amazing dinner to break fast - steamed salmon, spinach with spring onion and broccoli in creamy cheese sauce. Honestly was way more enjoyable than the **** I ate last night!!

I've been busy making nice stuff for kids to eat as part of my plight - nut brittle, fruit trifle etc. Debating whether to have a dessert...will see how I feel.

I've really gotten into these 2 Keto Dudes podcasts! Very interesting to hear some of the successes these guys and their guests have had. One started on an hba1c of 11 and is now 5.9 and officially free of t2. Very inspiring.

I also did yoga and weights routine during my fast. All good there and I've found my reach has increased for one of the moves in only three sessions! Very pleased with that.

And finally, bizarrely got a call from doctors to remind me that my hba1c needs to be repeated in 3 months. Of course I knew this and am ready to take the test mid September

Does anyone know what the official FBG is to be officially non pre-diabetic in the UK? I've got 5.7 in my head but can't recall where I'd heard it.

D x

 

[AndBreathe]

Successfully lasted a whole day without temptation!

Had an amazing dinner to break fast - steamed salmon, spinach with spring onion and broccoli in creamy cheese sauce. Honestly was way more enjoyable than the **** I ate last night!!

I've been busy making nice stuff for kids to eat as part of my plight - nut brittle, fruit trifle etc. Debating whether to have a dessert...will see how I feel.

I've really gotten into these 2 Keto Dudes podcasts! Very interesting to hear some of the successes these guys and their guests have had. One started on an hba1c of 11 and is now 5.9 and officially free of t2. Very inspiring.

I also did yoga and weights routine during my fast. All good there and I've found my reach has increased for one of the moves in only three sessions! Very pleased with that.

And finally, bizarrely got a call from doctors to remind me that my hba1c needs to be repeated in 3 months. Of course I knew this and am ready to take the test mid September

Does anyone know what the official FBG is to be officially non pre-diabetic in the UK? I've got 5.7 in my head but can't recall where I'd heard it.

D x

There you go Debs:
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_u...itoring/New_diagnostic_criteria_for_diabetes/

 

[Debmcgee]

There you go Debs:
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_u...itoring/New_diagnostic_criteria_for_diabetes/

Thanks so much for that! So basically what I'm understanding is that I would need to be less than 6.5 AND pass the glucose tolerance test in order to be 'better'.

That 6.5 is fairly achievable but not sure I'll ever pass the glucose tolerance test

 

[AndBreathe]

Thanks so much for that! So basically what I'm understanding is that I would need to be less than 6.5 AND pass the glucose tolerance test in order to be 'better'.

That 6.5 is fairly achievable but not sure I'll ever pass the glucose tolerance test

Debs, you'd have to define what you mean by "better" for anyone too be able to constructively answer that one.

 

[Debmcgee]

I think I mean in remission or reversed my diagnosis...x

 

[AndBreathe]

I think I mean in remission or reversed my diagnosis...x

OK. I'll pick up the hot potato then.

My medical records now show "Diabetes Resolved".

I have never, not once, not ever, had an OGTT, and I wouldn't voluntarily join a queue to do it now. It has never been suggested by a medic and relative to my lifestyle, it'd be like a body-battering. I'll pass thanks.

Whilst discussing my lipids with my GP I asked at what point the recurring recommendation for a statin would take into account my repeated non-diabetic range HbA1cs, as the T2 flag was influencing the Medic's view on my risk. She responded by asking if I'd like to come off the diabetic register.

At that point I asked which criteria was she using to make that offer. Her response was my serial HbA1cs, so far away from even the pre-diabetes diagnostic threshold, and the absence of any other concerning assessment metrics. In other words, as yet, such an assessment is a discretionary matter, and will quite probably be coloured by the consulting Medic's belief of whether reversal/remission/resolved/cured is indeed a possibility or not.

I had previously asked Professor Taylor the criteria he used for his trialists, post-ND, to decide if they had reversed, according to the trial criteria. His response was HbA1c.

Personally, my numbers mean a great deal to me, but the tag of resolved, or whatever, is meaningless. Again, personally, whatever a Medic felt, I personally, would never contemplate myself being resolved (or whatever), if I had diabetic levels in any of the published criteria. You may say that is somewhat hypocritical if I haven't undertaken an OGTT, but to me it would feel like self-harming. Had my GP wanted me to have an OGTT, I'd still be on the register.

So, Debs, my response to you would be, you decide for yourself at which point you would consider yourself to have reached the place you describe as "better". I would also urge you to resist from driving yourself to a point of distraction to tick a box you are unable to sustain. Dieting isn't the only sport where yo-yoing can be harmful. I would urge you to find a steady path on your way because maintenance, in my view, is the same challenge, if not a greater challenge than crossing a line in the sand. The thing about boom and bust is the busts tend to be somewhat bigger than the booms.

Good luck with it Debs, but be gentle with your body. You only have the one, and I don't have any spares to offer you.

 

[Debmcgee]

Well done to you! In my humble opinion, you are 'cured' lol! I understand this is a lifelong battle and definitely agree that maintenance is the REAL challenge - I suppose it would just be nice to have a figure in my head that I can be super proud of and fight to keep it.

My doc decided I had failed the intolerance test despite me telling her I'd been low carbing and therefore I would be more sensitive to a huge dump of refined sugar to which she was super flippant about and gave me 'I'm the Doctor here' look!!

I know I'll never be able to eat like an average Joe, and to be honest, I don't want to but I would like to know I no longer have sticky blood and that my body won't be at such a high risk of complications later on in life.

I think it sometimes feels like there's a dark cloud hanging over me. It follows me around and threatens to rain but isn't quite ready to. When I came back after my year of self-harming with food, I was seriously worried I'd done too much damage and would officially be T2 with a higher hba1c reading.

Thankfully this place is a godsend and really does make me pull my socks off.

I've always been motivated with setting targets and goals, but as Brun said, I do set myself up for failure; that small wins seem unworthy of celebrations....I used to think that with my weight and it seemed like such a huge loss that I'd never be able to do it, so now I work in 10kg increments and that helps keeps me focused.

So for now, my mini target is to get back down to 6.0 and be consistent with low carb and fasting as it is working for me

Consistency is key x

 

[Debmcgee]

7.6 this morning. It's coming down which is good. I'm fasting again today and will try to get some exercise in too. Could do with being at work and running around like a headless chicken!!

X