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There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

Losing weight is difficult because 'hormones' affect the brain! if we always feel hungry we eat too much of the wrong stuff.....carbohydrate. LCHF worked for me it improved my I.R and also help my brain get over Leptin resistance as well. Now on a low carb diet when I have fried eggs and 2 table spoons of olive oil for breakfast I have to force myself to have a small snack at lunch time. But for some their brains have been assaulted by so much leptin due their carb diets one never feels full, their leptin no longer works on the brain receptors.


So I.R and leptin resistance both occur and cause obesity. The only solution as I see is to cut carbs until we produce less insulin and leptin until they both start working again. D.
 
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douglas99 said:
That's why I find it very strange when posters seem to argue using reductio ad absurdum, and constantly claim
'you can't live on 800 calories forever' er, no, you don't need to, it's an 8 week diet
or 'you can't eat like you did before' er no, I ate as much as the rest of the family put together, the diet resets eating habits.

From the comments in this thread, while rapid weight loss certainly isn't for everyone it seems, it does seem effective to aid the reversal of diabetes, and it seems those who have reversed it can indeed eat a normal diet again.
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Yes and worth a try anyways
 
I never feel hungry, and have to remind myself to eat. Like @zand my weight loss stopped soon after starting LCHF, and I havent lost any more weight for nearly 8 months now. Definitely not overeating, snacking, grazing or anything else, and counting calories as well as low carbing.
 
serenity648 said:
I never feel hungry, and have to remind myself to eat. Like @zand my weight loss stopped soon after starting LCHF, and I havent lost any more weight for nearly 8 months now. Definitely not overeating, snacking, grazing or anything else, and counting calories as well as low carbing.
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Maybe it's an alternative starvation mode?
If you never feel hungry, the body doesn't realise it needs to start to burn fat.
So it starts to switch to starvation mode, you don't feel hungry, and even if you don't eat, you don't lose weight?
Maybe that's why shaking a diet up can have a dramatic affect on kickstarting weight loss again, and why I always lose weight by calorie reduction, as I can always eat, and never see starvation mode, no matter how little I eat on a diet.
 
douglas99 said:
Maybe it's an alternative starvation mode?
If you never feel hungry, the body doesn't realise it needs to start to burn fat.
So it starts to switch to starvation mode, you don't feel hungry, and even if you don't eat, you don't lose weight?
Maybe that's why shaking a diet up can have a dramatic affect on kickstarting weight loss again, and why I always lose weight by calorie reduction, as I can always eat, and never see starvation mode, no matter how little I eat on a diet.
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I am going to agree with you again (shock)

That is a very good point, one I haven't considered. Maybe i should try a different approach. Thanks : )
 
serenity648 said:
You do realise that fasting is a severe calorie restriction which messes up some people metabolism, dont you?
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Have to disagree with you there.. fasting for a few days with no food seems to have the effect of a slight boost in basal metabolic rate according to Dr Fung whereas calorie restriction for extended periods does indeed seem to lower the BMR the dreaded "starvation effect" as evidenced by the "biggest loser" winners who nearly all turned back into the biggest gainers for this exact reason.
 
Brunneria said:
here's that link, in case anyone needed to know what BB is talking about
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/biggest-loser-diet-explained/
(I just like dropping this link in at every opportunity, because it illustrates that 'eat less move more' is a nonsense as a long term weight loss tool.)
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Thanks @Brunneria I should have done that myself.

I have also had a reply from Prof Taylor about how many ND studies there have actually been

"Counterpoint 2011. Powered to test the hypothesis. The effect size was so large that definitive results could be obtained with relatively small numbers (cf effect of tablets – dozens to thousands needed to detect a modest effect). Yes, funded by Diabetes UK


Counterbalance 2016. Powered to answer two questions – durability of changes during 6 months of normal eating, and effect of prior duration of type 2 diabetes upon reversibility. 29 people. Funded by National Institute of Health Research, Newcastle Biomedical Research Centre. The salary of the clinical research fellow was funded by the NovoNordisk Research Foundation, an independent grant awarding body.


A huge influx of emails from members of the public was initially reported up (appended), and a student is currently working with me to update this.


DiRECT, the largest study ever funded by Diabetes UK commenced in 2014. Everyone will have crossed the 1 year line by August 2017, and we intend to publish these data. It was rapidly over-subscribed, and we recruited 306, not the planned 280 people. It is testing whether NHS Primary Care staff can achieve the ~15% weight loss needed to reverse type 2 diabetes, then apply the weight maintaining strategy. It is a randomised comparison with best treatment according to current guidelines. "


I'm still not exactly sure which of these prompted this thread but it must have been Counterpoint as Counterbalance had the 29 participants I quoted in one of my early replies which had the 40% success rate after 6 months.

Prof T also attached some documents which I haven't as yet had time to read but will do over the next day or so. I'll let you know if anything is further illuminated.

I also rather cheekily asked if he could possibly include LCHF alongside his severe calorie restriction diet as we have seen such great anecdotal successes here.. See if he answers that one!
What a study that would be ND vs LCHF vs Eatwell.
No prizes for guessing which would come third in the reversing diabetes stakes...
 
douglas99 said:
Maybe it's an alternative starvation mode?
If you never feel hungry, the body doesn't realise it needs to start to burn fat.
So it starts to switch to starvation mode, you don't feel hungry, and even if you don't eat, you don't lose weight?
Maybe that's why shaking a diet up can have a dramatic affect on kickstarting weight loss again, and why I always lose weight by calorie reduction, as I can always eat, and never see starvation mode, no matter how little I eat on a diet.
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Do you have any links to show studies backing up your consideration that if you don't feel hunger, your body won't burn fat? Many people low carbing note their hunger reduces, but they lose weight.
 
If you're low carbing and not losing weight then you're eating too much.... Its not rocket science, burn more than you're consuming and weight loss will follow, basic biology.
 
Jamesuk9 said:
If you're low carbing and not losing weight then you're eating too much.... Its not rocket science, burn more than you're consuming and weight loss will follow, basic biology.
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Not rocket science but for some other factors come in to play. Hormones and stress make a big diffence.
500 calories from grains vs 500 from green veggies are not equal. Grains increase my insulin and this causes less insulin sensitivity. And so the vicious circle begins. And I gain weight.
 
Jamesuk9 said:
If you're low carbing and not losing weight then you're eating too much.... Its not rocket science, burn more than you're consuming and weight loss will follow, basic biology.
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Not as simple as that, I am afraid. Basic biology doesn't cover the myriad hormone 'stuff' that many on this forum live with on a daily basis.
 
Brunneria said:
Not as simple as that, I am afraid. Basic biology doesn't cover the myriad hormone 'stuff' that many on this forum live with on a daily basis.
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Yes, it really is that simple. It may not work as effectively in all people but basic biology applies even if to a lesser degree.

Ultimately, over time, you will lose weight regardless and that cannot be argued with.

There is a fine line, that of course is individual to each person, finding it is the challenge.

For me, weight loss stalls if I eat twice a day, once a day and I lose quickly.
 
Jamesuk9 said:
Yes, it really is that simple. It may not work as effectively in all people but basic biology applies even if to a lesser degree.

Ultimately, over time, you will lose weight regardless and that cannot be argued with.

There is a fine line, that of course is individual to each person, finding it is the challenge.

For me, weight loss stalls if I eat twice a day, once a day and I lose quickly.
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No, it really isn't that simple.

Although, if your avatar is a photo of yourself, I can understand why you believe this.
Most of the people on the forum who support your ideas the most vociferously are male, not too overweight, with un-messed up hormones.

Those of us who have learned through bitter, ongoing, personal experience that such simplistic ideas do not fit the wide variety of different things that can (and do) affect our endocrine system, are often female, with messed up hormones.
 
Jamesuk9 said:
Yes, it really is that simple. It may not work as effectively in all people but basic biology applies even if to a lesser degree.

Ultimately, over time, you will lose weight regardless and that cannot be argued with.

There is a fine line, that of course is individual to each person, finding it is the challenge.

For me, weight loss stalls if I eat twice a day, once a day and I lose quickly.
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No it really isn't that simple. It was that simple for me in my early twenties. Then the contraceptive pill, a whiplash injury, depression, a heart conditon etc etc kicked in When you have dieted for years and keep reducing calories then weight loss stops because your body learns to live on less calories to survive. This happened to me and I was always ill because I wasn't eating enough.
 
Brunneria said:
No, it really isn't that simple.

Although, if your avatar is a photo of yourself, I can understand why you believe this.
Most of the people on the forum who support your ideas the most vociferously are male, not too overweight, with un-messed up hormones.

Those of us who have learned through bitter, ongoing, personal experience that such simplistic ideas do not fit the wide variety of different things that can contradict your belief system, are often female, with messed up hormones.
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I don't really understand why the personal comments and stereotyping just because I'm not over weight and male.... Completely unnecessary.

I have many hormonal issues and messed up genes, as do all my children that they inherited from me, one who has RA, PCOS, thyroid issues and is only 23, another who is autistic and 14 and another who is 29 with terminal deletion chromosome 10 and a mental capacity of 7 yrs old.

I'm just trying to understand why I'm Prediabetic with a BMI of 20 and looking for answers just like everyone else.

Never judge a book by its cover, it's offensive and unnecessary.
 
Brunneria said:
here's that link, in case anyone needed to know what BB is talking about
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/biggest-loser-diet-explained/
(I just like dropping this link in at every opportunity, because it illustrates that 'eat less move more' is a nonsense as a long term weight loss tool.)
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Thank you for this link, @Brunneria - that's really, really valuable information and illustrates perfectly why so very many people struggle having followed - with all good health intentions - this decades-long prescriptive advice.
:):):)
 
zand said:
@Jamesuk9 I'm sorry but it's also offensive to say weightloss is as simple as calories in /calories out. It isn't.
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Then we'll have to agree to differ.... If you starve yourself you will lose weight, I know I've been there and speak from experience. It is impossible to sustain weight without nutrition.

To be honest, I'm fed up with the attitude of many here now who can't accept an opinion that differs from theirs.
 
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